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ta, jax.


The real Thomasina in 1881:

Hannah M. Pile 38 - wife, married (husband not at home)
Frances A. Pile 18
Margaret S. Pile 16
Winefred Pile 14
Lillin Pile 11 -- it says Lillia
Louisa Pile 9
Thomastina Pile 6
Charles T. Pile 4
Hethel M. Pile
Ann Goodall 62 - mother-in-law (i.e. of male HOH)

Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire


The three girls in question all born Sunderland.


So it's back to the drawing board for 1901.


One of the reasons it is wise to give *all* info about a person, like parents' names ... to verify things like this.


Births Jun 1869
Pile Lilia Jane Sunderland 10a 538

Births Mar 1872
PILE Laura Elizabeth Sunderland 10a 587

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl


1881

Name: Louisa Pile
[Laura E Pile]
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Hannah M. Pile
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Yorkshire, England


You hadn't searched for the births ... the 1881 census is an error apparently. Someone has corrected the name at Ancestry. If you don't subscribe, would you like a message passed on? PM me your email address and I'll do it, probably tomorrow.

1881 -- Thomasina's place of birth matches the 1901, Bebside:

James Pyle 37
Isabella Pyle 36
Thomas M. Pyle 12
James Pyle 10
Thomasina Pyle 8
Isabella Pyle 5
Elizabeth A. Pyle 3
Mary A. Pyle 2
Margaret J. Pyle

Civil Parish: Cowpen
County/Island: Northumberland


Or is this a different Thomasina then?? No Louisa or Lilian, but there's a Margaret J.

So did I find a doppelganger in 1901, and not your Thomasina at all, then? Looks like it!

Here yer go

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MCGUIRE, Thomas
Address: 37 Lr Feversham Street Middlesbrough

.MCKEGNEY, Thomasina Head Widow F 57 1854 Halifax VIEW
MCKEGNEY, Jamese Son Single M 25 1886 Labourer Coke Ovens Bill Cross Middlesbrough VIEW
MCKEGNEY, Arthur Son Single M 17 1894 Catcher In Shipyard Middlesbrough VIEW
MCKEGNEY, Sarah Anne Daughter Single F 14 1897 No Occupation Just Left School Middlesbrough VIEW
MCGUIRE, Thomas Son Married
5 years M 29 1882 Shipyard Rivetter Middlesbro VIEW
MCGUIRE, Rosina Wife Married F 27 1884 Middlesbro VIEW
MCGUIRE, Elizabeth Daughter F 4 1907 Middlesbro VIEW
MCGUIRE, Thomasina Daughter F 3 1908 Middlesbro VIEW
MCGUIRE, James Son M 0 (10 MONTHS) 1911 Middlesbro VIEW

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3 kids all living

Janey

I now can put closure on where this lady went.

I hope I still get an answer off the GR member on her.
I will be going to the library tomorrow to find her obituary too.
Thank you Jax.

I am very very grateful for all your help


Kind regards
Linda.

Can you give us the birth reg info for sisters Louisa and Lillian?

I can't find births, and I ain't a-searchin w/o accurate info!

For the children in that McGuire-McKegney household, there are these two matching births:

Births Mar 1907
McGuire Elizabeth Middlesbro' 9d 546

Births Jun 1910
MCGUIRE James Ernest Middlesbro' 9d 607

but no Thomasina.



jax -- can you look at the 1911 and see what it says for how long Thomas and Rosina were married, how many children, etc?

I don't see a marriage for them either; wondering whether they'd recently come from Ireland, for instance.

Dont know whats wrong it would'nt let me edit that 1911 census but yes it looks like Pyle on the image and the birthplace is the same

jax

If you were hoping fo find a marriage and children, it seems not:

Name: Thomasina Pyle
Death Registration Month/Year: 1958
Age at death (estimated): 85
Registration district: Northumberland Central
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 277

Janey

I have sent a message to a GR Member who has Thomasina in her tree.
fingers crossed she can help me on this Lady.

I live in Gosforth and have never heard of Moorlands but will look it up.

Thank you
Linda.

Just searched for a Thomasina born 1906-1908, living with a Thomasina.

MCGUIRE THOMASINA 1908 3 Middlesbrough Yorkshire North Riding

It's giving me weird results, but she seems to be living with a Thomasina McKegney 1854 ... No Thomasina McGuire born around 1907.

Ah, but a possible death:

Deaths Mar 1913
McGuire Thomasina J 4 Middlesbro 9d 785


1911

MCKEGNEY MRS THOMASINA 1854 57 Middlesbrough
MCKEGNEY JAMESE 1886 25
MCKEGNEY ARTHUR 1894 17
MCKEGNEY SARAH ANNE 1897 14
MCGUIRE THOMAS 1882 29
MCGUIRE ROSINA 1884 27
MCGUIRE ELIZABETH 1907 4
MCGUIRE THOMASINA 1908 3
HOUSEHOLD MCGUIRE JAMES 1910 10 MONTHS


Nothing much there looks related, I'm just puzzled by the young Thomasina Goodhall Pyle.




jax has her! But I'm still wondering about the young one, who has got to be related somehow.

??

1911 census - household transcription
Person: PYLL, Thomasine
Address: Moorlands Gosforth Newcastle on Tyne

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HUTCHINSON, Emily Clayton Servant Single F 24 1887 Parlourmaid Domestic Northumberland Wyham VIEW
MCMANUS, Elizabeth Servant Single F 30 1881 Head Housemaid Domestic Durham South Shields VIEW
BAMPTON, Kate Servant Single F 18 1893 Under Housemaid Domestic Benwell Northumberland VIEW
SCOTT, Annie Servant Single F 22 1889 Kitchen Maid Domestic Durham Gateshead VIEW
PYLL, Thomasine Servant Single F 37 1874 Cook Domestic Northumberland Bebside VIEW
BELL, George Head Married M 62 1849 Brewer Yorkshire Ravensworth VIEW
BELL, Annie Wilson Wife Married
35 years F 56 1855 Northumberland Newcastle VIEW
BELL, Isobel Maud Daughter Single F 19 1892 Northumberland Tynemouth VIEW

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I'm not having any luck in the 1911 I'm afraid. Have you tried a free search? (That's all I'm doing.)

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

I'm curious about that 1907 birth so I've been looking for her too -- no death, but can't find her in 1911.

Possible that Thomasina was living with someone under his surname?

yes she has a sister called Margaret Hannah born 1865 Leeds. who married Thomas Needham in leeds.

I cannot dismiss that margaret as she could be cousin to thomasina.

Thank you Janey

Kind Regards
Linda


Janey

I saw the birth, but don`t know who the parents are;
PYLE Thomasina Goodhall Middlesbro' 9d 546

I was editing (always figure may as well keep the info all together) -- how does that look? Is Margaret Jane a sister?

Janey

`Sorry`

Linda

Hello Janey

it could be spelt` pile`
I have looked for Thomasina and just came up with nothing
I have two of her sisters I cannot find too
called Lillian 1870...Louisa 1872.

It really helps to have accurate facts.

She wasn't PYLE in 1891, she was PILE.

Thomasina Pile
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Where born: Sanderland, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds


In fact, she wasa born PILE.

Births Dec 1874
Pile Thomasina Goodall Sunderland 10a 704


Goose chases!


1901?

Name: Thomasine Pyle
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Bebside Blyth

Civil Parish: Hepple
Ecclesiastical parish: Rothbury
County/Island: Northumberland

Joshua Harold Broth 31 - it's Booth
Edith Broth 29
William George Prengle 35
Thomasine Pyle 28
Margaret Jane Pyle 20
Arthur Gregroy 15

You don't know whether she married?

I looked for a marriage for that name just in case, none. But there's also no birth for that name.


Oh. The surname is Pyle?

Related? --

Births Dec 1907
PYLE Thomasina Goodhall Middlesbro' 9d 546

Still don't see a birth for her.

Hello.

Can someone do me a 1901 / 1911 census lookup for the following
Lady please!

PYLE;
Thomasina Goodall b1874 SUNDERLAND. Occ;Servant.

In 1891: she was at 20, Stonefield Terrace, Leeds:west Yorkshire (West Riding)
Thomasina was a servant for her sister Frances Bean in 1891.

Kind Regards.
Linda.