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Nickif65

Nickif65 Report 31 Jan 2011 19:23

My step fathers grandfather is causing us all a headache. His name was Jonathan Kid Appleby born c1880. He married a lady called Florence Harborn. The spent some time in Alexandria Egypt and believe that Jonathan is buried there. They had 3 children, Florence 1906 who was born in Egypt, Henry 1910 and Gordon 1911 who were born in Harpenden, Herts.
Any info on Jonathans or Florences lives would be greatly appreciated.
Nicki x

Vera

Vera Report 31 Jan 2011 19:31

1901 Found this one ?????


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APPLEBY, Elizth Head F 51 1850
Newcastle
Northumberland VIEW
APPLEBY, Matilda Daughter F 24 1877 Tobacconists Shop (Assis)
Newcastle
Northumberland VIEW
APPLEBY, Jonathan Son Single M 22 1879 General Labourer
Newcastle
Northumberland VIEW
APPLEBY, Willm Son Single M 19 1882 General Labourer
Byker
Northumberland VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4791 Folio:
177 Page:
40

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
Byker Enumeration District:
30 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Michaels

Civil Parish:
Byker Municipal Borough:
Address:
72, Union Road, Byker, Newcastle Upon Tyne County:
Northumberland



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Regards Vera

Nickif65

Nickif65 Report 31 Jan 2011 19:36

Thank you Vera but I have investigated this one and sadly it isn't him. There were hundreds of John/Jonathan Appleby's in the Newcastle area but we think he may have been born around the Hertfordshire area.
Nicki x

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 19:41

not to clear. i will see what the image says

passenger transcript details
Name: Mr J K APPLEBY
Date of departure: 25 September 1913
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Port Said, Egypt
Passenger destination: Port Said, Egypt


Passenger recorded on: Page 13 of 20

The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mrs APPLEBY Page 4 of 20 View transcript
Miss APPLEBY Page 4 of 20 View transcript
Master APPLEBY Page 4 of 20 View transcript
Master APPLEBY Page 4 of 20 View transcript
Mrs APPLEBY Page 13 of 20 View transcript
Miss APPLEBY Page 13 of 20 View transcript
Master APPLEBY Page 13 of 20 View transcript
Master APPLEBY Page 13 of 20 View transcript
Mr J K APPLEBY Page 4 of 20 View transcript


MALOJA
132012
G H C Weston
Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Bombay, India

6781
331

Vera

Vera Report 31 Jan 2011 19:43

Hi Nicola,
Back to the drawing board. Did he marry Florence in this country?

Refards Vera

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 19:50

passenger transcript details
Name: Mr J K APPLEBY
Date of departure: 25 September 1913
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Port Said, Egypt
Passenger destination: Port Said, Egypt

Date of Birth: 1879 (calculated from age)
Age: 34
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Marker Inspector
Passenger recorded on: Page 4 of 20

the record has the same family on two different pages. JKi noted as a marker inspector.



Nickif65

Nickif65 Report 31 Jan 2011 19:50

LadyKira...I know this may sound silly but where was that info and can I view them?

Vera...We are not sure where they married or on which date. I have surfed the marriage files and didnt find anything. Im afraid my step fathers family were very secretive, lol.
xx

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 19:54

travelled alone this time

maret inspector

home address
90 gillingham avenue
gillingham kent

passenger transcript details
Name: Mr J K APPLEBY
Date of departure: 4 March 1924
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Port Said, Egypt
Passenger destination: Port Said, Egypt

Date of Birth: 1882 (calculated from age)
Age: 42
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Insp Of Mkts
Passenger recorded on: Page 15 of 19




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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
LARGS BAY
137225
J Beighton
Australian Commonwealth Line
Australia

8448
577

these are on find my past passenger lists

Nickif65

Nickif65 Report 31 Jan 2011 19:55

LadyKira you are brilliant.
Yes Jonathan was a market inspector but apprently he also had something to do with the Egyptian Railways.
Thank you so much.
xx

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 19:59

i expect this is him too

k and r easily mistaken

passenger transcript details
Name: Mr J R APPLEBY
Date of departure: 28 July 1910
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Port Said, Egypt
Passenger destination: Port Said, Egypt

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Gent
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 3


Mrs APPLEBY Page 1 of 3 View transcript

ship
CHINA
104467
E Street
Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Sydney, Australia

4160
86

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 20:09

these are the people at that address in 1911

1911 census - address transcription
Address: 90 Gillingham Road Gillingham Kent
THOMAS, William Charles Head Married M 25 1886 Boot Maker And Repairer Clapham Surrey
THOMAS, Minnie Wife Married F 28 1883 Elephant and Castle Surrey
THOMAS, William Alfred Robert Son M 2 1909 Balham Surrey

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 20:23

this is him on an incoming ship (ancestry)

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Mr J K Appleby Name: Mr J K Appleby
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 33
Port of Departure: Sydney, Australia
Arrival Date: 10 Aug 1913
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Melbourne
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Bombay]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Medina
Search Ship Database: View the 'Medina' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 131849

embarked port said
egyptiam markets and noted egypt as country of permanent residence

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 20:32

this incoming gives address as high street harpenden and he is a merchant

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Jonathan Appleby Name: Jonathan Appleby
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 43
Port of Departure: Australia
Arrival Date: 12 May 1923
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
[Hobart]
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Plymouth]
Ship Name: Jervis Bay

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 20:41

could this be florence

1891 census - household transcription
Person: HARBORN, Florence Lily
Address: 5, Vicarage Row, Halling

HARBORN, George Henry Head Married M 34 1857 Portland Cement Miller
Frindsbury
Kent
HARBORN, Agnes Wife Married F 34 1857
Ryarsh
Kent
HARBORN, Minnie Elizth Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Snodland
Kent
HARBORN, Florence Lily Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Halling
Kent

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 21:04

you probably have this but for my ref

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Gordon Harborn Appleby Name: Gordon Harborn Appleby
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1994
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Register number: B45F
District and Subdistrict: 3151B
Entry number: 130

chrissiex

chrissiex Report 31 Jan 2011 21:05

Ancestry has that 1891 household as Harlow but all in all I think it is Harbour

Marriages Jun 1875
Bowen William Maidstone 2a 890
GOODAYLE Agnes Maidstone 2a 890 <<<<<
HARBOUR George Henry Maidstone 2a 890 <<<<<
JOHNSON Emily Maidstone 2a 890

there is no trace anywhere of a Florence Harborn so it seems both of them must have been born out of England


Nicola I'm not following you around, lol but have you checked back to the Goldsmiths ?

chrissie x

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 21:09

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Gordon H Appleby Name: Gordon H Appleby
Birth Date: abt 1913
Age: 21
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 26 Jan 1934
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Sydney
[Melbourne]
[Adelaide]
[Colombo]
[Bombay]
Ship Name: Narkunda
Search Ship Database: View the 'Narkunda' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsula and Orient Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 142496

he came in as a second class passenger as a student proposing to stay in england and it was 24 harpenden high street

chrissiex

chrissiex Report 31 Jan 2011 21:20

3 children, Florence 1906 who was born in Egypt, Henry 1910 and Gordon 1911 who were born in Harpenden, Herts.

Births Jun 1911 ???
Appleby Gordon A Medway 2a 770

the only Gordon Appleby between 1909 and 1915, maybe he also was born outside England?

Births Mar 1910
APPLEBY Henry George St. Albans 3a 782


possibly intresting ... in 1911 this person wasa born in Alexandria Egypt ...

APPLEBY GORDON STEWART M 1884 27 Medway Kent
living with
APPLEBY MARGARET ANN F 1886 25 Medway Kent

I think very interesting because I would guess this is a brother and this could be of some use !

chrissie x


edit even better he did marry in England

Marriages Dec 1910
Appleby Gordon S Gateshead 10a 1521 <<<<<
Bramwell Sarah R Gateshead 10a 1521
RUTHERFORD Margaret A Gateshead 10a 1521 <<<<<
Sowerby John A Gateshead 10a 1521

..... if that is him ..... maybe not but I think it has to be ... if it is it would give a father's name who could be the right father for your Jonathan <<<<<

no births to that marraige it seems .... oh but of course, the Gordon born i in Medway in 1910 is probably one

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 31 Jan 2011 21:31

read this and tell me what you think

http://www.cranepart.co.uk/coles_1_a

chrissiex

chrissiex Report 31 Jan 2011 21:43

just following my Gordon Stewart Appleby ...................

Name: Gordon S Appleby
Death Registration Month/Year: 1922
Age at death (estimated): 39
Registration district: Medway
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 696


here is gordon son of Jonathan and Florence

Name: Gordon Harborn Appleby
Birth Date: 12 Aug 1911
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1994
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire
Register number: B45F
District and Subdistrict: 3151B
Entry number: 130

but his birth does not seem to be registered in England still

edit oops Ladykira already posted that

and Henry son of Jonathan and florence

Name: Henry George Appleby
Birth Date: 6 Feb 1910
Death Registration Month/Year: 1979
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 0575

just for ref

chrissie x