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ellen horrigan is her name before she married george frith and the address on cert. is def. 53 avondale roaddate of birth for george is 8th october 1905 birth reg. at newcastle on 17th nov 1905 by mother giving her name as ellen frith.

signed her name as ellen frith on georges birth cert.

ellen horrigan seems to have disapeared. would of died in wallsend

still can,t get passed the idea of the address on certificate is given as 53 avondale road byker newcastle and find there is another family livig there could it be what was known as shared housing? should still show up on census.where do i go from there?

If he was born in 1905 they could well have moved by 1911...people did'nt spend long at each address back then

jax

Elaine, I'm not sure that Avondale Avenue would have been shared housing but it was certainly private rental and people flitted all the time.

In 1911 no 53 was unoccupied, but it doesn't really have any bearing on where the Frith's would be.

This is all a bit complicated but i think it fits together.

Having looked at the 1911 census I cannot find father George anywhere. However, but unfortunately being unable to post any details because of copyright on the 1911 census (by rights anything posted from that census should immediately be removed) I can say that young George is there but the surname looks like Kith.
Working on what I have found I would guess that Ellen Horrigan was actually Mary Ellen Horrigan born Sunderland AMJ 1870, parents Dennis and Mary from Ireland.
She marries John Dodds 1890 AMJ South Shields and has children John H (i wonder if he was before the marriage), Mary Ann, Dennis, Catherine, Michael, Francis and Elizabeth.
She will then have to split up with John as he dies JFM 1907..
She marries George Frith as Mary Ellen Dodds OND 1909 with children George, Mary Ellen, William and Henry the first three before the marriage.

I would get the marriage cert for George and Mary Ellen and see what it says.

There is a Mary E Frith who dies in the Tynemouth area in 1930 age 60 which would be correct for Mary Ellen's death.

You can find all references for the certs on FreeBMD

Andy

Well it has'nt been removed in the past Andy

The copyright of the FMP Transcriptions belongs to FMP which is owned by the same company (Brightsolid) that owns GR. The copyright of the original images belongs to the crown as it does with all census images.

You cannot copy and paste the original images anyway . The transcribed images are fine as long as you use FMP or GR on this site although we do paste other census info from Ancestry. Other forums do not allow pasting of any transcriptions because they do not own the copyright.

That's how i see it.

Gave it half an hour Andy did'nt want to post his find

1911 census - household transcription
Person: KITH, George
Address: 178 Benton Way Wallsend


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KENNEDY, Peter Head Married M 27 1884 Dock Labourour Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, Isabella Wife Married
7 years F 26 1885 Hebburn Durham VIEW
KENNEDY, Peter Ma Son Single M 8 1903 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, John Son Single M 6 1905 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, Rose Ann Daughter Single F 3 1908 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, Isabella Daughter Single F 1 1910 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
HARRIGAN, Mary Boarder Widow F 63 1848 Co Cork Ireland Resident VIEW
KITH, Mary Boarder Married F 41 1870 Sunderlandco Durham VIEW
KITH, George Boarder M 5 1906 Byker Northumberland VIEW
KITH, Mary Ellen Boarder F 3 1908 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KITH, William Boarder M 2 1909 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KITH, Henry Boarder M 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW

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pm received from Elaine today prompted me to look at the 1911 census posted above by jax on 25 April

looking at the original, the K on Kennedy and the K of Kith are very different, I would say that Kith should read Frith

>>>>> edit, just to add that on the original, it says Mary Kith/ Frith had been married 6 years and had 4 children born to marriage by 1911, all of whom were still living

Yes I know it should be Frith and I also told her ages ago to return to this thread when she asked the same question on Jacquelines thread

jax

have looked at the 1911 census for kth instead of frith and found all the info i need.having enlarged copy of household records you can see it is frith but normal print makes it look like kith thank you for everyones help

have looked at the 1911 census for kth instead of frith and found all the info i need.having enlarged copy of household records you can see it is frith but normal print makes it look like kith thank you for everyones help

since found family as lodgers in 100 benton way, wallsend-on-tyne

So thats not them at 178 Benton way ???

Elaine - when were they lodgers at no 100?

In the 1911 the family at 100 were called Mein.

Elaine, Are you sure?

I cannot find 100 Benton Way on 1901 and the Frith's are not there on 1911

Tempest - do you mean am I sure, or is Elaine?

MEIN, Robert Head Married M 51 1860 Electric Craneman Coldstream Berwick Resident
MEIN, Anne Wife Married 27 years F 48 1863 Gateshead Durham
MEIN, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Wallsend Northumberland
MEIN, Eveline Daughter Single F 12 1899 Wallsend Northumberland
GILHANEY, Thomas Boarder Single M 35 1876 Holder Up Boiler Maker Middlesboro Yorkshire

RG number: RG14 Piece: 30721
Reference: RG14PN30721 RG78PN1757 RD559 SD1 ED15 SN116

Registration District: Tynemouth
Sub District: Wallsend
Enumeration District: 15
Parish: Wallsend

Address: 100 Benton Way Wallsend County: Northumberland

Sorry MarieCeleste my post was intended to ask Elaine for clarification

I will ammend