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have looked at the 1911 census for kth instead of frith and found all the info i need.having enlarged copy of household records you can see it is frith but normal print makes it look like kith thank you for everyones help

have looked at the 1911 census for kth instead of frith and found all the info i need.having enlarged copy of household records you can see it is frith but normal print makes it look like kith thank you for everyones help

Yes I know it should be Frith and I also told her ages ago to return to this thread when she asked the same question on Jacquelines thread

jax

pm received from Elaine today prompted me to look at the 1911 census posted above by jax on 25 April

looking at the original, the K on Kennedy and the K of Kith are very different, I would say that Kith should read Frith

>>>>> edit, just to add that on the original, it says Mary Kith/ Frith had been married 6 years and had 4 children born to marriage by 1911, all of whom were still living

Gave it half an hour Andy did'nt want to post his find

1911 census - household transcription
Person: KITH, George
Address: 178 Benton Way Wallsend


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KENNEDY, Peter Head Married M 27 1884 Dock Labourour Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, Isabella Wife Married
7 years F 26 1885 Hebburn Durham VIEW
KENNEDY, Peter Ma Son Single M 8 1903 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, John Son Single M 6 1905 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, Rose Ann Daughter Single F 3 1908 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KENNEDY, Isabella Daughter Single F 1 1910 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
HARRIGAN, Mary Boarder Widow F 63 1848 Co Cork Ireland Resident VIEW
KITH, Mary Boarder Married F 41 1870 Sunderlandco Durham VIEW
KITH, George Boarder M 5 1906 Byker Northumberland VIEW
KITH, Mary Ellen Boarder F 3 1908 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KITH, William Boarder M 2 1909 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW
KITH, Henry Boarder M 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Wallsend Northumberland VIEW

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That's how i see it.

Well it has'nt been removed in the past Andy

This is all a bit complicated but i think it fits together.

Having looked at the 1911 census I cannot find father George anywhere. However, but unfortunately being unable to post any details because of copyright on the 1911 census (by rights anything posted from that census should immediately be removed) I can say that young George is there but the surname looks like Kith.
Working on what I have found I would guess that Ellen Horrigan was actually Mary Ellen Horrigan born Sunderland AMJ 1870, parents Dennis and Mary from Ireland.
She marries John Dodds 1890 AMJ South Shields and has children John H (i wonder if he was before the marriage), Mary Ann, Dennis, Catherine, Michael, Francis and Elizabeth.
She will then have to split up with John as he dies JFM 1907..
She marries George Frith as Mary Ellen Dodds OND 1909 with children George, Mary Ellen, William and Henry the first three before the marriage.

I would get the marriage cert for George and Mary Ellen and see what it says.

There is a Mary E Frith who dies in the Tynemouth area in 1930 age 60 which would be correct for Mary Ellen's death.

You can find all references for the certs on FreeBMD

Andy

Elaine, I'm not sure that Avondale Avenue would have been shared housing but it was certainly private rental and people flitted all the time.

In 1911 no 53 was unoccupied, but it doesn't really have any bearing on where the Frith's would be.

If he was born in 1905 they could well have moved by 1911...people did'nt spend long at each address back then

jax

still can,t get passed the idea of the address on certificate is given as 53 avondale road byker newcastle and find there is another family livig there could it be what was known as shared housing? should still show up on census.where do i go from there?

ellen horrigan seems to have disapeared. would of died in wallsend

signed her name as ellen frith on georges birth cert.

ellen horrigan is her name before she married george frith and the address on cert. is def. 53 avondale roaddate of birth for george is 8th october 1905 birth reg. at newcastle on 17th nov 1905 by mother giving her name as ellen frith.

I've looked up the 1911 for 53 Avondale Road, Byker, Newcastle.

There is not a detailed return, but the enumerators list says "removed Sutcliffe"

In 1901 the address is occupied by the McEntee family

Elaine - did Ellen actually sign her surname as Horrigan? Does that mean she never actually married George b1905's father?

That might explain why I've been struggling to find a marriage for her.

george friths fathers occupation was ships painter(journeyman)address on birth certificate is 53 avondale road newcastle.
believe witness to george and esthers marrige in 1924 was ellen horrigan who is george friths born 1905, mother

Hi Elaine could you tell us the occupation of the father, any addresses etc on the 1905 birth cert please

hi i have now got birth certificate for george frith born newcastle-on-tyne in 1905.thank you his fathers name is also george frith and mothers maiden name is ellen horrigan this george frith (1905) was born in byker, newcastle.have not been able to find out elder sisters names except i know they never married