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Ah now I see , so Lydia E Cross /Stevens born 1842 , father cannot be born 1840, I suggest you get back to Michael and see what he has to say about it ?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Percy William Cross Name: Percy William Cross
Age: 20 PLASTERER*********
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Spouse Name: Hannah Stevens BOOT FITTER********
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 05 Nov 1883
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Richard Cross PLASTERER
Spouse Father Name: George Thomas Stevens PRINTER****

Brides address 8 Barnsley St
Grooms address 41 Paragon Rd

Witnessess William Phony????? and Susan Stevens.

Oh good Lindsey your there.

I am now more interested but have to go out at one and have lots of things to do, so must get on but don't want to now!!!!!!

No wonder we could'nt find her yesterday.

Mel

Name: Percy William Cross
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1866
Baptism Date: 24 Jun 1866
Father's name: Richard Cross (Plasterer)
Mother's name: Sydia Elizabeth Cross
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Mary Stratford Bow
Borough: Tower Hamlets

(Birthdate14th Jan. 1864, address Bow)

Chris :)

1881
STEVEN, George Thoms Head Married M 73 1808 House Painter
St Pancras
Middlesex VIEW
STEVEN, Susan Wife Married F 49 1832
Banbury
Oxfordshire VIEW
STEVEN, Hannah Daughter Single F 17 1864 Boot Fitter
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
STEVEN, George T Son Single M 15 1866 Apprentice In Boot Trade
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW


RG number:
RG11 Piece:
419 Folio:
122 Page:
37


Civil Parish:
Bethnal Green Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Barnsley Street, Bethnal Green County:
Middlesex

Well lookee here a tree on ancestry says this



Lydia Elizabeth Harvey Birth abt 1841 in Dalston, Middlesex, England Death Mar 1889 in London, Middlesex, United Kingdom

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Lydia Elizabeth Harvey
Name: Lydia Elizabeth Harvey / Richard cross
Year of Registration: 1860
[1860]
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 399 (click to see others on page)

Births Dec 1841 (>99%)
Harvey Lydia Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 329

1851 England Census about Lydia Harvey
Name: Lydia Harvey
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Harvey
Mother's name: Mary Ann Harvey
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Household Members:
Name Age
William Harvey 46 Plasterer
Mary Ann Harvey 37
William Harvey 19
Daniel Harvey 11
Lydia Harvey 9
Ann Letitia Harvey 1

1871

CROSS, Richard Head M 34 1837 Cambridgeshire VIEW
CROSS, Lydia Elizh Wife F 29 1842 Cumberland VIEW
CROSS, Harriett Stewr Daughter F 16 1855 Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Henrietta Daughter F 12 1859 Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Ernest Rd Son M 10 1861 Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Percy Willm Son M 8 1863 Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Beatrice Lydia Elizh Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Florence Matilda Daughter F 2 1869 Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Henry Rolland Son M 0 1871 Middlesex VIEW

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
571 Folio:
36 Page:
22

Registration District:
Poplar Sub District:
Bow Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Bromley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Campbell Rd, Bromley County:
London, Middlesex

(Richard married before perhaps, shame the 1860 one isn't on London Marriages)

Chris :)


1861

CROSS, Richard Head Married M 28 1833 Plasterer
Cambridgeshire VIEW
CROSS, Lydia E Wife Married F 20 1841
Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Salina Daughter Unmarried F 7 1854
Middlesex VIEW
CROSS, Hindon Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859
Middlesex VIEW

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
163 Folio:
51 Page:
47

Registration District:
Hackney Sub District:
5 South Hackney Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
South Hackney

Civil Parish:
South Hackney Municipal Borough:
Address:
1, Mare Street, South Hackney County:
London, Middlesex

1871 England Census about Lydta Elizth Cross
Name: Lydta Elizth Cross
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Richard Cross
Gender: Female
Where born:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Dalston not Cumberland
Civil Parish: Bromley St Leonard
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Cross 34
Lydta Elizth Cross 29
Harriett Selina Cross 16
Henrietta Cross 12
Ernest R C Cross 10
Percy Willm Cross 8
Beatrice Lydia Elizh Cross 4
Florence Matilda Cross 2
Henry Rolland Cross 2 Months

Parish Records Collection - marriage
Day: 31

Month: Oct

Year: 1852

Groom forename: Richard

Groom surname: CROSS

Groom's residence: of Common

Groom's condition: bac

Groom's occupation: plaisterer

Groom's age: minor

Groom's father's forename: Richard

Groom's father's surname:

Groom's father's occupation: hackney carter

Bride forename: Harriet

Bride surname: WISBY

Bride's residence: of Victoria Street

Bride's condition: sp

Bride's occupation: [blank]

Bride's age: minor

Bride's father's forename: John

Bride's father's surname:

Bride's father's occupation: feltmonger

By Licence: by banns

Place: Ely, Holy Trinity

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Witness 1 forename: Reuben (x)

Witness 1 surname: CROSS

Witness 2 forename: Ann (x)

Witness 2 surname: CROSS



Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 5

Month: Apr

Year: 1832

Forenames: Richard

Surname: CROSS

Relationship: of

Father forenames: Richard

Fathers occupation: lab

Mother forenames: Ann

Birth Day:

Birth Month:

Birth Year:

Abode: otp

Place: Ely, Holy Trinity

County: Cambridgeshire,England


Record source: Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Data provider: Cambridgeshire Family History Society

Chris :)


Deaths Dec 1859 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cross Harriet Hackney 1b 241

Mother for Harriet selina and Henrietta on Ancestry as
Harriet Wisby died 1859

1841 England Census about Harriett Wisbey
Name: Harriett Wisbey
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Sawston
Hundred: Whittlesford
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Linton
Sub-registration district: Duxford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wisbey 25 fishmonger
Ann Wisbey 25
Harriett Wisbey 6
Cecelia Wisbey 4
Elijah Wisbey 3
Elisha Wisbey 4 MO
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Original
Record



I think Michael read Selina as Stevens and presumed that was Lydia[s maiden name, an easy mistake to make.

Name: Harriet Cross
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1859
Burial Date: 29 Dec 1859
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Parish or Poor Law Union: South Hackney St John of Jerusalem
Borough: Hackney
County: Middlesex

Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 7

Month: Dec

Year: 1834

Forenames: Harriet

Surname: WISBY

Relationship: of

Father forenames: John

Fathers occupation: fellmonger

Mother forenames: Ann

Birth Day:

Birth Month:

Birth Year:

Abode: otp

Place: Sawston

County: Cambridgeshire,England


(Ooerr, lol, next door village to my childhood days!)

Chris :)

1841 England Census about Reuben Cross
Name: Reuben Cross
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Ely Trinity
Hundred: Ely City (Isle of Ely)
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Ely
Sub-registration district: Ely
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Cross 35
Ann Cross 35
Charlotte Cross 13
Reuben Cross 11
Richard Cross 9
Ann Cross 7
John Cross 2
Mary Cross 1 MO
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Original
Record

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\fellmonger makes much more sense, all those sheep around !

Lol Lindsey, there was a big hide and leather works in the village, so that would tie in, can't find Richard in 1851 though...

Chris :)


1851 for Harriet, in Ely...

LEGGE, William Head Married M 22 1829 Bootmaker Employing 3 Men 2 Ap
Cambridge
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LEGGE, Mary Wife Married F 35 1816
Ely
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LEGGE, William John Son Unmarried M 12 1839 Scholer
Ely
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LEGGE, Christeper Henry Son M 10 1841 Scholer
Ely
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LEGGE, George Son M 8 1843 Scholer
Ely
Cambridgeshire VIEW
LEGGE, Eliza Daughter F 2 1849
Ely
Cambridgeshire VIEW
WISBY, Harriet Elizabth Servant Unmarried F 16 1835 General Serv
Sawston
Cambridgeshire VIEW

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1764 Folio:
300 Page:
2

Registration District:
Ely Sub District:
Ely Enumeration District:
1A Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Holy Trinity Municipal Borough:
Ely Address:
High Street, Holy Trinity, Ely County:
Cambridgeshire

Oh yu have been busy while I was out.

well done Chris and Lindsey. I had found that masrriage for Richard to Harriet but my oh told me to get off the pooter!!!!

I too could'nt find Richard on the 1851 census.

Just shows you how people can go wrong taking info from someone elses tree though dos'nt it.

1851 England Census
about Ruhard Crop
Name: Ruhard Crop
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's name: Richard Crop
Mother's name: Ann Crop
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Ely Trinity, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Ely St Mary
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Ely
Sub-registration district: Haddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Crop 45
Ann Crop 44
Reuben Crop 21
Ruhard Crop 19
Ann Crop 17
John Crop 12
Mary Crop 10
Phoebe Crop 8

Hmmm!! got im' :-))

Between GR Hot Matches and those lovely Ancestry Green Leaves, so easy to get off on wrong foot, best to back up with Certs. if you can.

Chris :)

(lol Melanie, I had a Henry hoover here telling me to get off mine!) :-))