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found out today that Maria Holden nee Mac Nabb died on the15 th may 1890 at the mitcham road barracks croydon she left John the sum of £132.+ This information is from the National probate calendar index of wills and administrations 1861 to 1941
Just need a grave now
Any ideas :-)

No i got the details off the birth cert my uncle peter has and he will not let me see it now and will not talk about it, but it is from the birth cert of william, I then found out about Maria.
I need a copy as took only basic details as over 20years ago since I saw the cert same for my Grand mother Margarett Bishop.

I assumed you already had the birth cert for William John - isn't that where you got Maria McNabb's name from?

John was a colour sargent in the royal surrey regiment, when they had my grand father william John Holden in Surrey, so I need his birth cert,
then the marriage? I guess.. it gets confusing with so many williams and Johns
So my grandfather William John holden
Great grand father John Holden
Great great grand father William Holden
Grand mother Magarett Ann Bishop nee Holden
Great Grand mother Maria Mc Nabb
Nothing else on maria side
Seems right
S xx <3

You know from your previous research that John's father's name is William, and presumably John's profession will be soldier.

If those details tally then it's likely you have the right couple, and you should get to find out the name and occupation of Maria's father

If they don't tally, then at least you've ruled out this line of enquiry.

I never knew Holden was an Irish name!! thats something new I have learned, thank u I will get the cert, how do I check its her or him as I do not know any more on Maria side ???
S x :-D

I can't guarantee they married each other, just that they turn up on the same page.

You'd need to get the actual cert to be certain. John Holden is an Irish name as well as an English one, so don't get excited too early!

A millon thanks you are wonderful and amazing Kucinta,this is a dream come true, to discover Maria and who she was and her family. guess I need to do more Irish research to find them.
Thank u xx <3

Could this be the marriageof Maria McNabb and John Holden in Ireland in 1875?

Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958

Name: Maria M'Nabb
Registration District: Newport
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: 1875
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101252
Volume Number: 4
Page Number: 343
Digital Folder Number: 4179385
Image Number: 00422

Name: John Holden
Registration District: Newport
Event Type: MARRIAGES
Registration Quarter and Year: 1875
Estimated Birth Year:
Age (at Death):
Mother's Maiden Name:
Film Number: 101252
Volume Number: 4
Page Number: 343
Digital Folder Number: 4179385
Image Number: 00387

ok get that now, thank you... :-D

The 1841 census simply tells you if the person was born in the same county they were residing in 1841, or if they were born abroad.

So as Alviegal says Blanche was born 'out of county', all we know is she was not born in Middlesex.

Hi All, now feel confused and wonder what to do... cannot afford to buy cert that could be really wrong to my tree.
Where was Blanche Hurley born??

Thank you for all the help you are all great. :-) <3

Wonder if this is Blanche in 1841. She was not born in county but at least we have a rough birth year to look for.

MOINOT, Joseph M 45 1796 Foreign VIEW
DRURY, James M 35 1806 VIEW
METT, John M 50 1791 VIEW
PLATTS, Thomas M 40 1801 VIEW
BLIGH, George M 30 1811 VIEW
WESLEY, George M 25 1816 VIEW
WILSON, Julius M 15 1826 VIEW
BLONDELL, Elizabeth F 35 1806 Foreign VIEW
SIX, Jane F 35 1806 Foreign VIEW
MATLEY, Elizabeth F 35 1806 VIEW
HARVEY, Susan F 40 1801 VIEW
BARRINGTON, Martha F 25 1816 VIEW
BLIGH, Sarah F 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
>>HURLEY, Blanch F 25 1816 female servant VIEW
BACKER, Catherine F 25 1816 VIEW
PARATT, Eliza F 20 1821 VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
734 Book/Folio:
3/13 Page:
19

Registration District:
St George Hanover Square Sub District:
May Fair Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
St George Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Arlington Street, St George Hanover Square, Westminster County:
Middlesex

You might be advised to get the death cert for 13 yr old Maria Mcnab that Alviegal mentioned, to rule her in or out as the daughter of Blanche and John.

You don't want to jump to conclusions too quickly, and you still have no direct proof or even indirect proof that the Maria Mcnab baptised Marylebone 1848 is 'your' Maria Mcnab, since you don't know where your Maria was born or who her father was.

Maria Holden's age at death in 1890 is 38, which gives her a birth year of c1852, so seemingly 4 yrs younger than the daughter of John and Blanche.

Can anyone trace John, Blanche and Maria in census 1861?

It would be interesting to see if they had moved to the area where the13 yr old Maria died, making it more likely that she was their daughter, not 'your' Maria. I've searched for them in the 1861myself but had no luck.

Death: McNab Maria Mile End 1c 366 Sep 1861.

This is interesting and I will get the cert, all the help is amazing and all you tell me is really good..amazing.
Now have Hurley to add to the Mc Nab and Holden story??
Thank you xx :-D <3 <3

Given that Maria's family were living in Mitcham Rd Barracks in Croydon in 1891 and that her youngest child was born in Croydon, and that her widowed husband apparently married his house keeper from census 1891 in Croydon, also in 1891, you can't be more certain that the Croydon death is the right one unless you actually buy the death certificate:

Census 1891:

Living Mitcham Rd barracks Croydon.

Household Members: Name Age
John Holden 40 c1851 Staverton, Northamptonshire, England. Sergeant instructor Volunteers
Ellen Holden 11 c1880 Bengal
Frances Herbert Holden 8 c1883 Bengal
William John Holden 6 c1885 Guildford, Surrey, England
Robert Holden 2 c1889 Croydon, Surrey, England
Eliza Histed 29 Housekeeper

Marriages Jun 1891
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gasson William Thomas Croydon 2a 464
>>>Histed Eliza Croydon 2a 464
>>>Holden John Croydon 2a 464
Lilley Frances Emma Croydon 2a 464


Birth: HOLDEN Robert Croydon 2a 201 Sep 1888.

Death HOLDEN Maria 38 Croydon 2a 136 Jun 1890

Maria was alive in 1885 as she was married to John Holden and had my grandfather in 1885 on 19th Jan so the death in 1848, could this be a sister to my Maria Mc Nab??? I have idea death could be june 1890? for my Maria Mc Nab in croydon but do not know how to check it..

Sure went in for odd names ! so blown away at all this wonderful information.
THANKYOU WITH ALL MY HEART <3

I was told of a romantic tale of a link to Cork, Ireland and Mc Nab being Scottish and or Irish, but that I think is just pure romantic stuff from my late mum as she knew nothing else only Maria was her Grand mother on her fathers side and she never met her. :-D

Another child for John and Blanche.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about George Major Mcnab
Name: George Major Mcnab
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1849
Baptism Date: 28 Oct 1849
Father's name: John Mcnab, gardener of 34 Earl St
Mother's name: Blanche Mcnab
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Marylebone
Borough: Westminster


Sorry must go now.

Now thats a riddle??? is hurley a first name, Hurley Blanche marylebone and John Mc Nab is this that vol 1 page 245, what record is this, as new I get confused!!
Thank you for you help you are great to do this for me.

THANK YOU X <3