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This site might be useful, as the Siggs seem to have coem from Haverhill

www.haverhill-uk.com



sylvia

Court of Chancery: Six Clerks Office: Pleadings 18... C 13/450/5
W1841 S19]. Siggs v Henshaw. Bill and answer. Plaintiffs: Henry Siggs and others. Defendants: John Henshaw, Charles Matthew Siggs and wife, John Nicholson, John Taber and John Archibald Stuart and wife. Amended by an order dated 26 June 1841: George Lackington
Date: 1841
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives

(not sure what this relates to, from National Archives, Kew)

Chris :)

It might help if we knew when Frederick was born

could be one of these

Births Dec 1846 (>99%)
Siggs Frederick Chelsea 3 62
Births Jun 1850 (>99%)
Siggs Frederick Evanden Lambeth


not the Frederick E

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Charity Sarah Halls

Name: Charity Sarah Halls
Spouse Name: James Siggs
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Aug 1864
Parish: Woolwich St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Greenwich
Spouse Father Name: Charles Matthew Siggs
Register Type: Parish Register


from image:-

James:-
Of Age (ie, over 21)
Bachelor
Occupation:- Retailer of Beer
Address:- 52 High St
Father occupation:- Maltster

Charity
Of Age
Spinster
no occupation shown
Address:- 52 High Street

no name of father or occupation

Witnesses:- F. Self and Georgiana Self


In 1881, James and Sarah were living in Brighton, Sussex



sylvia

and in 1851, with son James???

It is Siggs on the image ...... I've sent in a change


1851 Census

Name: Elizh A Liggs
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Gender F (Female)
Where born: St Martins in the Hields, London, England

Civil parish: Horton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Horton

Elizh A Liggs 40 Widow, School Mistress
James Liggs 14 b.ca 1837, St martins in the Fields, London, Scholar

Address:- 1 Lower Back, William St



sylvia

and in 1871???

1871 Census

Name: Elizabeth Siggs
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St Martin in the Fields, London, England
Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
Town: Kilburn
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden

Elizabeth Siggs 61 Teacher

Address:- 6 Park Rd Terrace




sylvia

That looks good, Quoy!


That could be the answer as to why we cannot find a marriage for Margaret Ohrens.



sylvia

could this be Elizabeth in 1881

Elizabeth Ann Siggs
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Widow
Gender: Female
Where born: St Martins, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Street Address: 67 York Str
Condition as to marriage: Windower
Occupation: School Teacher
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St Mary
Elizabeth Ann Siggs 71

Just a thoguht


I cannot find a marriage for Charles Matthew and Margaret Ohren


I cannot find a burial for Elizabeth Ann Siggs EXCEPT fort he following one:-

Deaths Mar 1894 (>99%)

Siggs Elizabeth Ann 84 Brighton 2b 159


age 84 at death means born ca 1810.



Is it at all possible that Charles Matthew left his wife, and moved in with Margaret, without marrying her?


Divorce was extremely expensive, and difficult to obtain ....... so many people just moved on when the marriage broke down.





sylvia

and another child

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Charles Siggs

Name: Charles Siggs
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1832
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1832
Father's Name: Charles Siggs
Mother's name: Elizabeth Siggs
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St Martin in the Fields
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

from image:-
Address:- Parsons Green
Father occupations:- Malster




sylvia

from ancestry, baptism children born to Charles and Elizabeth


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Henry Siggs
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1831
Baptism Date: 10 Jan 1831
Father's Name: Charles Matthew Siggs
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann Siggs
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westminster St Martin in the Fields
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

from image:-

Address:- Parson's Green
Father occupation:- Malster


Name: Emily Siggs
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1834
Baptism Date: 21 Jul 1834
Father's Name: Charles Matthew Siggs
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ann Siggs
Parish or Poor Law Union: Fulham All Saints
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

same address and occupation (though very faint and hard to read)



sylvia

so was Margaret Ohren, Charles 2nd wife ........ she wasn't born until 1830, according to a tree on ancestry.




sylvia

the birth of James Wiffing Siggs ???

Mathew Siggs,? Elizabeth Siggs
name: James Wiffen Siggs
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 22 Jun 1777
baptism/christening place: Haverhill, Suffolk, England
birthplace: Suffolk County, England
father's name: Mathew Siggs
mother's name: Elizabeth Siggs
indexing project (batch) number: C04296-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 887392

and the licence

James Whiffing Siggs
Residence : Saint Dunstan in the West, London
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Whiffing
Spouse's Residence: Saint Dunstan, Stepney, Middlesex
Licence Date: 28 Mar 1803


Just googled
James Wiffing Siggs quite a few things come up

ref the to the birth of the above Charles Mathew born at Aveley

The LONDON GAZETTE, March 28, 1812 .
The Morning Chronicle (London, England), Monday, March 30, 1812

J Wiffing Siggs dealer Aveley Essex April 13th 14th at 12 and May 9th at 10 at Guildhall. Attorney Mr. Lang American Square

and the marriage of the above James
James Whiffing
[James Siggs]
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Whiffing
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 29 Mar 1803
Parish: St Dunstan in the West
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register

James signs his name as James Wiffing Siggs

Its okay as was originally added to a very old thread and Kevin was asked to start his own thread.

Thanks Lindsey and Lesley, that one keeps coming up but it isn't right.. I don't think!

Why does the name of Margaret Ohren seem familiar

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Husband

CHARLES MATTHEW SIGGS Pedigree

Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 08 DEC 1829 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England
Death:
Burial:



Wife

ELIZABETH ANN REED Pedigree

Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 08 DEC 1829 Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England
Death:

safc !! That looks good !! Where did you find it ?? :-)