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from the age on the census there is also this one

Births Dec 1853 (>99%)
CONNOR Ann Liverpool 8b 138

there is also the possibility Ann was not registered, Liverpool was an area where many births were not registered before it was compulsory.
eg
this baptism is of one that would have been registered right on the limit of the 6 weeks allowed but should have been in the June qtr

Baptisms: 21 May 1854 St Patrick, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Connor - Child of Edward Connor & Ellen (formerly Hogan)
Born: 12 May
Baptised by: E. Kenrick
Register: Baptisms 1853 - 1855, Page 343, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 396377

These are the only two in Liverpool in 1854


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Sep 1854 (>99%)
Connor Ann Liverpool 8b 94
Births Dec 1854 (>99%)
Connor Ann Liverpool 8b 50

What age did she give when getting married?

Jude

where were edward and Ann married

in that 1856 marriage Michael actually married the female listed

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CONNOR Michael CUNNINGHAM Eliza Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/65/83

Jude. I can't get a birth certificate for Ann because I don't know her exact date of birth and would have to purchase quite a few and eliminate them and they are too expensive to buy and then not be the right one.
The O'Connor family came from around Blackwater, Co Wexford, I do know that much.

Jan. Good of you to find me a bit more information.It is very frustrating to be so near but not find that vital piece of the jigsaw!!

Teresa x

a marriage with a missing female name
Name: CONNOR, Michael
Registration district: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1856
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 472
MarriageFinder: Michael Connor married one of the following people:

CUNNINGHAM, Eliza
WINN, James

wonder about this birth?

Name: FAHEY, Ann
Registration district: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1855
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 92

The 1911 census is frustrating. I have so many children born and died between censuses. And as the mmm was not part of the bmd record before 19111 - little or no chance!! Without knowing where in Ireland Michael was born you are on a slippery slope! Connor born Ireland landed Liverpool is very very common. Your best chance is Ann's birth certificate

Jude

nudge up

To LancashireAnn.
The family you put up in 1881 is the correct one.That is also where Edward and Ann married in 1875.
Teresa :-)

To Ann, Jude and Jan.
Just back on and found messages, thanks very much,
Jude, the other three children of Edward and Ann Marsh that died were twins Hannah and Gertrude, i died 2 days and other 5 days in October 1883 and another girl Mary died 26 days in December 1886.
Looking at all the info sent, I wondered if Michael married twice, but we have never heard of Ann having brothers or sisters, story through the family is that Ann's Mother died giving birth or very soon after. Interesting to see the name Fahey on the census though as my Dad's cousin did say Ann's Mothers maides name was Feahy or Leahy!! Getting more of a mystery by the minute!! I would love to find Ann's Mother as she is the only branch that I have not been able to find. Thanks again to all. Teresa . :-S

jan

saw this one and thought the same. But this Michael is already widowed so how did his wife give birth to Ann three years later? :-(

Jude

1851?? you mention a mothers maiden name ?could this be the family note lodger's surname ?
RG number: HO107
Piece: 2177
Book: 67
Page: 41
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: St Martins
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District: ?
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Court, Wright Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
CONNOR, Michael Head Widower M 30 1821 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland
CONNOR, Catherine Mother Widow F 63 1788 Housekeeper
Ireland
CONNOR, Thomas Son M 8 1843
Ireland
CONNOR, John Son M 3 1848
Liverpool
Lancashire
FAHEY, Lawrence Lodger Unmarried M 19 1832 Bricklayers Labourer
Ireland

If I have found the correct 1911 census she had four children who died. Do you know the names of the other three ?

Jude

same family in 1861

RG number: RG09
Piece: 2657
Book: 135
Page: 4
Reg. District: Liverpool
Sub District: 1 St Martin
Parish: Liverpool
Enum. District: 52
Ecclesiastical District: St Aidens
City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 36, Hedley Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire

POOLE, William Head Married M 50 1811 Dock Labourer
Wales
POOLE, Ann Wife F 47 1814
Ireland
POOLE, Mary Daughter F 11 1850 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
POOLE, William Son M 9 1852 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
CONNOR, Michael Lodger Widower M 40 1821 Dock Labourer
Ireland
CONNOR, Ann Lodger F 7 1854 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
MURPHY, Mary Lodger Orphan F 5 1856
Liverpool
Lancashire

1871 Mary Murphy is a grand daughter

1871 census
Name: Ann Connor
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 [Abt 1854]
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Michael Connor
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidans
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 3764
Folio: 130
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Connor 58
Ann Connor 19
Mary Murphy 15

Michael's occupation is a fireman in a gas works

Jude

is this the family in 1881?

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Ed. MARSH Head M Male 31 Retford, Nottingham, England Brick Layer
Ann MARSH Wife M Female 27 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Card Room Hand (Cotton)
Thos. MARSH Son U Male 4 Darwen, Lancashire, England Scholar
Ed. MARSH Son Male 2 Darwen, Lancashire, England
Sus. MCFETHER Lodger W Female 67 Retford, Nottingham, England Nurse

Source Information:
Dwelling 5 Hutchinson Ct
Census Place Over Darwen, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342007
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4205 / 6
Page Number 6

Some-one sent me an 1861 census ;- Michael Connor 40, born Ireland a widower, Dock Labourer, Ann Connor 7 born Liverpool, both lodging with William Poole 50, Ann Poole 47 and children St Aideen's Parish Liverpool. This looks like my gt gt Grandmother with her Father, but I have tried to find both of them in 1871 on Familysearch site and can't find either of them!! If Michael was a stoker by 1871 and on a ship did they still go on census forms??
Teresa : :-S