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Not a waste of time at all. Amazing what info there is out there now!

Hoboken is in New Jersey by the way.

;-)

Maureen

Looks like young Arthur had been on a visit to England with his mum. Arriving back in NY:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Arthur Howard
Arrival Date: 6 Oct 1912
Birth Year: abt 1908
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: guierford
Age: 4
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: New York

With his mother May, age 27.

They'd been staying with Mrs Smith at 6 Lea Pals (??) Road Guildford. Think they've got Arthur's birthplace wrong (perhaps copied his mums?).

They're returning to husband/father Mr Howard at 209 Washington Place, Passaic, NJ.

That looks promising. Perhaps he stayed in and around New York if he was planning to visit his friend there.

This 1910 looks like a possibility:

1910 United States Federal Census about Percy Howard
Name: Percy Howard
Age in 1910: 26
Birth Year: 1884
Birthplace: England
Home in 1910: Buffalo Ward 22, Erie, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1906
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary Howard
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
Percy Howard 26
Mary Howard 24
Arthur S Howard 1 10/12 [1]
William Alsop 31 - rooming with them

He's a Concrete Foreman

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Percy Howard
Arrival Date: 5 May 1906
Birth Year: abt 1883
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish) - that's wrong, says English on the image.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Lucania

He was going to his friend Walter Butcher - address looks like 48 Eldorado Place, Hoboken, NY.

No need to be sorry at all Lima - it's easy to go down the wrong path when there's two blokes with the same name and very similar ages.

Let's check out Barry's find ......

EDIT - looks like you've confirmed it!

I have just found a post card from Percy with RMS Luciana on the front dated 18th May 1906. The card addressed to his sister said arrived safe and well will write a long letter soon. Your loving brother Perce.

Yes It looks like we are back to square one. Im sorry for all the time wasted and trouble ive caused. Ididnt think it would be easy!

Ellis Island records


A Percy Howard sailed from Liverpool on the Lucania arriving Ellis Island 5 May 1906
Last residence, London England ,aged 23, SINGLE ,Occ. Salesman

So do we start over from scratch?

I would strongly recommend ignoring those Ancestry trees, they're not reliable.

I agree, I don't think any of those US records are for your Percy. This WW1 record confirms that the Percy married to Ethel (wrongly transcribed in 1920 as Odella) is the one born in Bradford:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Percy Howard
City: Chicopee
County: Hampden
State: Massachusetts
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1882
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1685170
DraftBoard: 0

Doesn't look as if any of the trees on Ancestry have any further info re his line. They must have just disappeared!!! I think the 1920 and 1930 census posted are the Bradford Howards!

Lima - do you know for definite that the couple in the 1920 census (and 1910 that I've posted) is definitely your Percy and not the one born in Bradford?

I have seen a photo of them with another couple. Pretty sure it was just after they arrived in the States. He sent the photo to his mum back in England.

Just to know...what did you mean by:
" I think they just got married before they went off to the States.I think they travelled with another coulpe as I have seen a photo.."

Maureen :-S

Looks Like its the wrong Percy Howard! His parents were definitely James Howard and Ann Hester Foster.

But her birthplace is Scotland per the 1910!

Is this the Percy who is supposed to have died?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Percy Howard
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1882
Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1882
Father's Name: James Howard < Platelayer
Mother's name: Ann Esther Howard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St Saviour
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address - 3 Kingsford Street.

EDIT - yes found death record.

This is the baptism of Percy who survived:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Percy Howard
Name: Percy Howard
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 29 September 1883 <<<
Baptism Date: 19 Oct 1883
Father's Name: James Howard - Railway Porter
Mother's name: Ann Esther Howard
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St Saviour
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers
Address still 3 Kingsford Street

Note the birthdate - the WW2 registration on page 1 is the wrong Percy.

The Percy born in London in 1882 to James and Ann died in the same year but a son born in 1883 who is the one in the 1891 census was named Percy too.

A Howard tree on Ancestry gives Odella's birthplace as Ireland.

Just had a look at that 1920 US census and Percy's wife's name is actually Edith. Here they are in 1910:


1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Edith Howard
Age in 1910: 27
Birth Year: 1883
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1910: Barre, Worcester, Massachusetts
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1907
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Percy Howard
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
Percy Howard 39 [28] - Weighing Clerk in a Woollen Mill
Edith Howard 27
Davis Howard 4 (this is actually Doris)
Horace Howard 3
Vernon Howard 1 6/12 [1]

Is this the Percy Howard you are looking for?
1891 census:

HOWARD, James Head Married M 44 1847 Railway Porter
Edlesborough, Buckinghamshire
HOWARD, Ann Wife Married F 41 1850 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire
HOWARD, Ruth Daughter Single F 16 1875 Edlesborough, Buckinghamshire
HOWARD, William Son M 14 1877 Scholar Kentish Town, London
HOWARD, Harry Son M 12 1879 Scholar Camden Town, London
HOWARD, Charles Son M 11 1880 Scholar Kilburn, London
*****HOWARD, Percy Son M 7 1884 Scholar Kentish Town, London
HOWARD, Lilley Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar Kentish Town, London