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On the 71 census Robert Stansfield was a labourer in cotton mill and was born 1833 in Briercliffe, Lancs.

thanks margee. weirdly, i have a feeling i am also connected via stansfields to this family, does it say where robert stansfield is born? i have stansfields on both my mum and dads side of the family. seems all my folk married into the same families. :-) :-)

Another sister of Alice, Mary Ann married Robert Stansfield and Alice is living with them in 1871.

Marriages Dec 1856 (>99%)
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Astin Mary Ann Burnley 8e 283
STANSFIELD Robert Burnley 8e 283

1871 England Census
about Alice Yates Name: Alice Yates
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Habergham Eaves
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 157
Piece: 4150
Folio: 122
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Stansfield 38
Mary Ann Stansfield 34
John Stansfield 13
Isaac Stansfield 9
Alice Yates 24 , widow

When i check the 1871 census i find thomas's profession is a miner when he was in baxenden. So could be that that marriage is correct. But he was born in marsden from most of the census. So not sure why he would be getting married in burnley. I am unable to find him on the 1861 census, and to be honest, not certain i am tracking the correct thomas clegg until i get the marriage certificate of thomas and alice astin for 1885 which is my next step. From that i will hopefully have his dads name which would be a great help. If it is down as thomas, then i will consider that marriage as a good chance of being the one. And i now find that on most of census it does seem that thomas , if its correct thomas, was born around 1837. :-)

Hi Mike, no thomas wasnt a collier ever i dont think. more like a labourer or pavior etc . I think too that its more likely to be marsden where he was born and first married, as i think it says on the census he was born in marsden. So more likely to be st james briercliffe or st johns nelson for marriage. or st peters at a push , in burnley. Apart from that, think he was born more around 1840, 1845 ishg from most of the census. Cant remember what his age was on the 1871 census in baxenden. And ive just realised, the alice he was married to then must have been the first alice, wife number one, as he didnt marry alice number two until 1885 . I keep confusing them. :-)

Hi Mike, no thomas wasnt a collier ever i dont think. more like a labourer or pavior etc . I think too that its more likely to be marsden where he was born and first married, as i think it says on the census he was born in marsden. So more likely to be st james briercliffe or st johns nelson for marriage. or st peters at a push , in burnley. Apart from that, think he was born more around 1840, 1845 ishg from most of the census. Cant remember what his age was on the 1871 census in baxenden. And ive just realised, the alice he was married to then must have been the first alice, wife number one, as he didnt marry alice number two until 1885 . I keep confusing them. :-)

Details of above marriage

Marriage: 7 Aug 1858 St Paul, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Clegg - (X), Full age Collier Bachelor of Burnley Wood
Alice Haworth - (X), 19 years Rover Spinster of Burnley Wood
Groom's Father: William Clegg, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Haworth, Engine Tenter
Witness: Albert ?; John Shackleton
Married by Banns by: James Butler Offg. Minister



Was your Thomas a collier ?
Was his father William ?

Maybe ?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1858
CLEGG Thomas - HAWORTH Alice
Burnley St Alban (St Paul)

thanks mike. think richard died in 1883. not sure about james yates as unsure of his age and found two choices between 1869 and 1878 for his death. has she any children living with her as i am wondering why she left it so late in 1886 to have a child. i think that the alice thomas clegg was living with in 1871 in baxenden was his first wife but i am not sure of her maiden name?

1881

Alice Watson
Age: 34
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1847
Birthplace: Burnley, Lancashire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Marital Condition: Married
Profession/Occupation: Weaver (C)
Address: 20 Pendle St
Census Place: Habergham Eaves, Lancashire, England



Head Richard Watson M 47 Burnley, Lancashire, England
Wife Alice Watson F 34 Burnley, Lancashire, England

.on seconds thoughts ....


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
ASTIN Alice - YATES James Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended


Wonder why she never added Yates as one of her previous names on children's birth certs

Sometimes the fact that the marriage is recorded in 2 names is that the bride's "father" has a different name.
So if her mother re-married to a Yates, Alice may have named him on the certificate as her father


1878

ASTIN Alice -WATSON Richard -Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended
WATSON Richard- ASTIN Alice- Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended

WATSON Richard -YATES Alice- Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended
YATES Alice -WATSON Richard- Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended

Discovered that alice astin first married james yates, then richard watson, then finally thomas clegg in 1885. So solved the mystery thanks to you all. I forgot to mention that alice and thomas were living in 1871 in baxenden, near accrington. Has anyone got the details for that census?
thanks
shirley

have noticed a marriage between alice astin and richard watson in 1878, but she is also known as alice yates, so goodness knows how that fits in if that is indeed her. ? This woman is very confusing . !! Now wondering if richard watson is the brother of thomas watson, esther's second husband? And confused as to the yates surname. Unless yates is the maiden name of maria , george's wife?

Yes mike, sorry, thts what i meant. Alice clegg formerly walton nee astin . But thats obviously meant to be watson and was mistranscribed. But i am still struggling as to why she was ever a watson unless she married one, maybe a brother of her sisters husband thomas?? but i havent found a marriage yet.

Thanks margee, its looking good. But just wondering why then alice was watson on her marriage certificate. Did she maybe marry a watson also, as she was defiantely an alice watson/walton when she married thomas clegg. And on ellen's birth certificate. it said alice walton formerly astin.

You asked what quarter the marriage was.....


Marriages Sep 1885 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CLEGG Thomas - Burnley 8e 408
Watson Alice - Burnley 8e 408

Now I'm confused ......


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1886
CLEGG Ellen - Burnley

" ... i have birth certificate of ellen. it says alice walton nee astin. for her mum ."



Surely it should say Alice CLEGG, previously walton, formerly Astin.

Ellen with mother Alice in 1901? Alice is listed as married not widowed. They are both cotton weavers but Alice says born Brunshaw?, Lancs. here. Address is 3 Nelson Rd.

1901 England Census
about Ellen Clegg Name: Ellen Clegg
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Alice Clegg
Gender: Female
Where born: Burnley, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Briercliffe
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: East Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 3868
Folio: 31
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Clegg 53
Ellen Clegg 14

The Astin/Asten sisters in 1861:

1861 England Census
about Esther Asten Name: Esther Asten
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Asten
Mother's name: Maria Asten
Gender: Female
Where born: Burnley, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Burnley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Burnley
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 178
Piece: 3066
Folio: 92
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
George Asten 47
Maria Asten 35
Ellen Asten 17
Alice Asten 14
Esther Asten 12
Emma Greenwood 40
Mary Ann Greenwood 8
Elizabeth Asten 1 Weeks

The Greenwoods are stepdaughters. Can't quite make out the relationship for 1 week old Elizabeth Asten, think it says daughter's child.