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Hi Janice,

I'm a little puzzled.... I've searched in the 1911 census for Hilda Carr and can't find her. Can't find her in the 1901 census either. Am I doing something silly?

Have you e-mailed Chesterfield library to see if they have local newspaper archives for a report on John William Rudge's death?

Here's the brother who died


SKEVINGTON, HENRY ERNEST

Rank: Rifleman
Service No:S/2020
Date of Death:25/09/1915
Age:23
Regiment/Service:Rifle Brigade12th Bn.
Grave Reference V. C. 7.
Cemetery
AUBERS RIDGE BRITISH CEMETERY, AUBERS

Additional Information:
Son of Mr. W. T. and Mrs. M. E. Skevington, of 34, London St., New Whittington, Chesterfield.

There are only 2 Hilda Carrs in derbyshire in 1911 - the one I've listed born 1883 and an older one born 1867.

Alison

It might be worth buying the birth certificate for Jessie to check if the father was listed?

Ooh just thought - John W's death - there must have been an Inquest /Coroner's Report - might be an avenue to investigate, 1913 not so far back, just under 100 years so there may be records

It could be, I have very little information about Hilda other than she was born (I think) in about 1890. She was in the army and I also believed that she'd been engaged to one of Lily Skevington's brothers who's been killed in the army around 1917.

I don't know any other name for her and presumed she'd never married... but don't know that for fact?

Annie May Carr born 1909 Hasland appears in 2 trees on here. Why don't you e-mail them and see if Hilda's family know anything about Lily Annie. Bit of luck they may even have photos given that they lived together.

Alison

I would definitely go to the tea and cake afternoon, you just never know what someone may remember!

This could be your Hilda Carr. Maybe their Annie was friends with Ethel and Jessie.

Name: Hilda Carr
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hasland, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Chesterfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 19 Penmore St Hasland Chesterfield
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration District Number: 438
Sub-registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 21086

Robert C Carr 29
Hilda Carr 28
Annie May Carr 2


EDIT
Marriages Dec 1908

CARR Robert Cowley Chesterfield 7b 1599
HANCOCK Hilda Chesterfield 7b 1599

Yeah! Was amazed when she invited me.. apparently it's run by one of the original family members and have tea and cake and reminisce on the day trips to skeggy they used to have! Might be a fun way to spend a Friday afternoon even if I don't get any info! Lol!

lol! That would be amazing if they did - and you'd get the gossip too hehe.

Hhhmmmm, the payments could be some sort of widows type pension? Lily Annie worked at Robinsons, but John W worked on the railways.

I've spoken to Robinsons today (they're a great old family firm based in Chesterfield) and if any company did make payments at the time, it would be them. They don't have records for Lily Annie as the part of the company she worked in has been sold over the last 15 years. They did invite me to a weekly pensioner club though to see if anyone remembers her!

I am wondering if the payment received each Friday was because he was killed/died in a work related accident rather than a payment by an errant father (not saying it wasn't) but if a small child (Ethel) remembers it then surely adults in the area would - and that might flag up that Jessie was illegitimate.

Perhaps there was some fund that paid out to the widow. If so there might be records of that ?

Did both of them John W and Lily Annie work at the same place (Robinsons Portland Works)?

I don't know if there would have been any payments - employees were more expendable then

Thanks, I'll get them ordered.

I haven't found a baptism entry, although know my Aunt (Ethel's daughter) is looking into this for John Rudge so I can ask her. I'll also see if I can find the school admissions log..

Thanks,
Alison

Have you found a baptism entry for Jessie?
Sometimes a father is named there.

It would seem that her natural father at least acknowledged Jessie, if he made payments.
Was he perhaps named on her school admission log?

Gwyn

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

order from here £9-25 a go

Hi,

I'm really grateful that people are responding and helping .. thank you!

I don't have John Rudge's death certificate, and I've also tried searching old local papers but not found any information. I don't have his actual date of death.

Yes, sorry I got a bit muddled with the surname/maiden name thing... I haven't got Jessie's certificate although I believe it says John Rudge as father...

Could I get copies of these?

Its not surname that I was questioning, its the mothers maiden name for Jessie' birth

Have you got the certificate for Jessie?

Here is John Rudge's death - sad only 23

Civil registration event: Death

Name: RUDGE, John W
Registration district: [?] Chesterfield
County: Derbyshire
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death:23
Volume no: 7B Page no: 746


EDIT: You said rumour has it he died on the railway - do you have his death cert?