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Hello,

I have a problem and not to sure how to solve it, I have been in contact with a lady who has the same 3* GGrandparents as myself we have the same births and the same marriage for them but their children are totally different she as followed hers through to herself so have I so one of us must have the wrong marriage at the start trouble is I have found the people in both trees and the names and place of birth are both the same so how do I find the other marriage On her tree 2 of the children have the parents names on mine they do not and I know a lot of families followed through with names I do have 2 children b 1839 and 1844 on my tree would it give mothers maiden name if I got one of the certs my 2 by G grandfather was born 1829 so I cannot get his cert

Regards
Mary :-(

UK Birth certificates since their introduction in 1837 have always shown what is believed to be the mothers maiden name,

You must bear in mind that the certs may not be availalble. Until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births

Perhaps we could try to help you?

A different 'slant' on things sometimes proves effective.

You must have worked back from yourself, so certain info you will be 100% sure of.............tell us where the query lies, - if you wish to, of course.

I'll be happy to join in if you want to give us the info as Reggie suggests.J

before you send for certificates it may be worth looking at the site staffordshirebmd.org.uk as some maiden names are recorded on the births - you may be lucky

I am only guessing that is the area you are looking at from your 'researching' bit

Hello,

I'll give you what I'm sure of then the prob

My father George William Hyde b Princess End,Tipton bJuly 1910 d April 1979 his father, his father George Cleaton Hyde b 1885 d 1943 born in Sedgley
his father John Hyde b1850 d 1925 he married Eleanor Alexandra Baker 1863 - 1947 they married in 1884 all above are 100% correct E A's father William Henry Baker 1829-1874 born in Kingswinford Now this is where I have the problem I have William & Eleanor's Marriage cert and his father is Thomas Baker the info I've found is TB b abt 1805/1806 Kingswinford married to a Phebe/Phoebe The marriage for them is 23rd September 1827 Her name Phoebe Carter b abt 1807 Sedgley There children W H b 1829 John 1831 Eliza 1832 Elizabeth 1836 Margaret 1839 also on 1851 census there is a Deborah b1844 but I cannot find any other reference for her
Hope you can understand this

Mary

nudge

No need to nudge.........we've had to wait for you to come back!!!!


Assuming your problem starts with Eleanor'.................

Eleanor Alexandra's father was William Henry.

Do you have her birth cert to confirm the name of her mother? You refer to ' William and Eleanor's marriage', without giving her surname.

Is this the right birth?

Name: Eleanor Alexandra Baker
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1863
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 535

1871 England Census

Name: Eleanor Baker
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William H Baker
Mother's Name: Sarah Baker
Gender: Female
Where born: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Bilston
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Bilston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 53
Piece: 2950
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Baker 42
Sarah Baker 41************************not Eleanor
Cleaton Baker 18
William Baker 12
Eleanor Baker 8

1861 England Census
Name: Cleston Baker
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William H Baker
Mother's Name: Sarah Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Moxley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Bilston
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Bilston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 2004
Folio: 4
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Baker 32
Sarah Baker 31
Cleston Baker 5
William H Baker 2
Catherine Hatt 16
Jane Davies 21

1851 England Census
Name: William Henry Baker
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Baker
Mother's Name: Phebe Baker
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Sedgley
Ecclesiastical parish: Coseley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Dudley
Sub-registration district: Sedgley
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 2031
Folio: 131
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Baker 46
Phebe Baker 44
William Henry Baker 22
John Baker 20
Eliza Baker 19
Elizabeth Baker 15
Margret Baker 12
Deborah Baker 7
Sophia Hurst 22
Wm Carter 31

Marriages Sep 1853 (>99%)
BAKER William Henry Dudley 6c 1
CLEATON Sarah Dudley 6c 1

I would guess that this is William and Sarah's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1853 (>99%)
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****BAKER William Henry Dudley 6c 1
BULLOCK George Dudley 6c 1
****CLEATON Sarah Dudley 6c 1
FLETCHER Hannah Dudley 6c 1

Hello Mary - what was Thomas Baker's occupation on the marriage certificate of William and Eleanor?

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BAKER William H CLEATON Sarah Coseley, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 208/002/28


just noticed that goes rather well with the name of the 1st child - Cleaton

Hello MarieCeleste

It as his father as a butcher but I cannot find any other ref as a butcher every search I've done he seems to be a beer seller

mary

The only real query you raised is with reference to Deborah.

You've given no indication of the discrepancies between your info and that of the person you say is loosely connected to you.

Perhaps you could clarify.........................

Where did you find a marriage to ELEANOR?

Hi Mary

is the marriage certificate of William & Sarah or William & Eleanor please - I am getting confused with names

is this Eleanor in 1881 with mother re-married

Head Samuel Wall M 60 Moxley, Staffordshire, England
Wife Sarah Wall F 52 Lye Waste, Worcestershire, England
Daughter Eleanor A Baker F 18 Moxley, Staffordshire, England

Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
Baker Sarah W. Bromwich 6b 898
PRINCE Simeon W Bromwich 6b 898
Turton Sarah Jane W Bromwich 6b 898
WALL Samuel W Bromwich 6b 898