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This Alexander and Ann would fit with the OPR which has Alexander as a Draper. I have had a look at the OPR marriage entry. I'm not convinced the father is "Jo" Spalding. There are several other J's on the same page whose lower loops fall on or just below the line, whereas this lower loop is quite long. Further down the page a Robert Hunter marries a Sarah Hughes dau of ? Hughes. I could go for the first letter of that being the same as Ann's father's BUT quite what it is I don't know!

1851 census transcription details for: 14, Seafield Road, Liff, Dundee

National Archive Reference:
RG number:
Piece: 282
Folio: 283
Page: 3
Reg. District:
Sub District:
Parish: Liff
Enum. District: 83
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Dundee
Address: 14, Seafield Road, Liff, Dundee
County: Forfarshire (Angus)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
MCDONALD, Alexander Head Married M 25 1826 Clothiers AssistantIreland British Subject
MCDONALD, Ann Wife Married F 31 1820 Ashly Cottage, Forfarshire
MCDONALD, Charles Son M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1851 Dundee, Forfarshire

I am still confused!!!!
Alexander Proudfoot McDonald was definitely born in Ireland in 1826 (father was in the army).
It is possible that there are two Alexanders.
We think that Ann 1812 is too early as the 1851 census for Alexander is correct as it tallies with the Birth of my Gt. grandfather and Ann's date appears to be correct. Many thanks for your efforts.
Peter.

I cannot find any baptisms for John Spalding and Margaret Nichol's children, except the 1812 for Ann that AnnCardiff posted.

Also puzzled by Alexander's change of POB - in 1871 it is Scotland, in 1861 and the (wrong?) 1851 I posted it is Ireland. Also, his occupation changes:1861 - Grocer; 1871 - Traveller in Publications. Are there two Alexanders married to Anns?

The age difference for Alexander between 1861 and 1871 is 20 years.

Edit:checking the image for 1871, Alexander's age is 45 not 55, so agrees with the 1861.

I wonder what Alexander's parents' names were? Maybe they followed the Scottish naming pattern?

The Ann MacDonald in the 1851 above is the one whose father is given as Charles Spalding.
Her place of birth listed there is the same as the place of death of her brother John Spalding.

But I think we now think she's the wrong Ann Spalding, and that the one with parents John and Margaret in Kirriemuir is the correct one.
Do we?? I'm confused.

If she's John & Margaret's daughter, then her birth was 1812 (per AnnCardiff's post on page 1).
But if so, there are no census records for her in 1841 as far as I can see.

Ann and Alexander in 1851 - Alexander's POB Ireland:

Ann McDonald
Age:31
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1820
Relationship:Wife
Spouse's Name:Alexander McDonald
Gender:Female
Where born:Ashly Cottage, Forfarshire
Parish Number:282
Civil Parish:Liff and Benvie
Town:Dundee
County:Angus
AddressNo 14
Alexander McDonald 25
Ann McDonald 31
Charles McDonald 5 Mo

In 1871, they were in West Derby:

1871 England Census
Alexander McDonald

Age:55
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1816
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Ann McDonald
Where born:Scotland
Civil Parish:West Derby


Alexander McDonald 55
Ann McDonald 50
Alexander McDonald 18
Catherine McDonald 13
Patk Davy 22

Ann Spalding in 1841:
Name:Ann Spalding
Age:20
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1821
Gender:Female
Where born:Scotland

Civil Parish:Kirkmichael
County:Perthshire

Address:Merkland House

Occupation:F S

Christian Nicol 14
George Nicol 12
James Nicol 10
Louisa Ogilyie 20
Ann Spalding 20

Same family in 1851 - Margaret listed under her midde name:

John Spalding 58
Margret Nicoll 59
William Spalding 36
Margh Spalding 29
John Spalding 27
Janet Spalding 25
James Spalding 22
Jean Spalding 19
Thomas Spalding 17
David Spalding 12

The 1871 census posted by RootsGatherer is the only one I can find, too, for an Alexander and Ann(ie) Mcdonald in Liverpool. But the ages are way out, especially Annie's. And Alexander's a seaman in that record.
I don't think that's them.

This is definitely them in 1861, and he's a grocer:

1861 England Census about Alexander Mc Donald
Name: Alexander Mc Donald
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Mc Donald
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: West Derby
Sub-registration District: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 28
Piece: 2719
Folio: 7
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Mc Donald 35
Ann Mc Donald 43
Charles R Mc Donald 10
Alexander Mc Donald 9
Catharine W Mc Donald 3
Ann Mc Donald 1

There is this family in 1841 living in Kirriemuir and daughter Lydia seems to have named a child Margaret Nicol, so possibly this is Ann's family. I can also find an Ann living in Perthshire with a Nicol family:

:


Name

Age

John Spalding 45
Margret Spalding 45
Lydia Spalding 20
Margret Spalding 15
John Spalding 14
Janet Spalding 12
James Spalding 10
Jean Spalding 9
Thomas Spalding 7
David Spalding

Name: Margt. Nicoll Paterson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 18 May 1850
Christening Place: KIRRIEMUIR,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Paterson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Lydia Spalding
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11299-4
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993443
Reference ID:

Citing this Record:
"Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYJ6-VJS : accessed 05 Aug 2013), Lydia Spalding in entry for Margt. Nicoll Paterson, 18 May 1850.

Is this the census please?

1871

Name: Annie McDonald
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alexander McDonald
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Liverpool
Sub-registration District: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Household Schedule Number: 186
Piece: 3763
Folio: 22
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander McDonald 40 Seaman
Annie McDonald 30

Ann Spalding
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 24 March 1818
christening: 6 April 1818 KETTINS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
father:Charles Spalding
mother:Christian Macdonald


Janet Spalding
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth: 14 October 1819
christening: 17 October 1819 KETTINS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
father:Charles Spalding
mother:Christian Macdonald


Christian Spalding
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 13 May 1821 KETTINS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
father:Charles Spalding
mother:Christian Macdonald


Euphemia Blair Spalding
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 22 May 1825 KETTINS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
father:Charles Spalding
mother:Christian Macdonald


John Spalding
Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
christening: 25 January 1824 KETTINS,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
father:Charles Spalding
mother:Christian Macdonald

1841

Piece: SCT1841/294 Place: Kettins -Angus Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Kettins Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 3 Page: 10
Address: Ashley Cottage

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks

SPALDING Charles M 50 Farmer Outside Census County (1841)
SPALDING Christian F 50 Outside Census County (1841)
SPALDING Christian F 20 Angus
SPALDING John M 15 Angus
SPALDING Euphemia F 15 Angus
MACINTOSH John M 20 Ag Lab Outside Census County (1841)

Ann had a brother John (death below). His father is also named as Charles.

1863 SPALDING JOHN MCDONALD M 39 KETTINS /ANGUS 294/00 0015

Details as follows:
John Spalding, farmer, married to Elizabeth Cook.
Died 24/12/1863 Time: 3.30
At: Ashley Cottage.
Age 39.
Father: Charles Spalding, farmer.
Mother: Christian Spalding, ms McDonald, deceased
Cause of death: fatal accident caused by the upsetting of a cart loaded with wood.
Informant: John Scott, brother-in-law, Markethill

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Name: Spalding
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Dec 1791
Christening Place: KIRRIEMUIR,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: William Spalding
Mother's Name: Margt. Lindsay
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11299-2
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993443

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Name: Ann Spalding
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 08 May 1812
Kirremuir, Angus
Father's Name: John Spalding
Mother's Name: Margaret Nicol
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11299-2
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993443

The above entries are definitely my family.The main problem is we can only find Ann Spalding with a father named Charles as shown in the above entry.
On the marriage entry in the OPR's for Scotland it states her father as Jo.Spalding not Charles. As we cannot find a birth for her with a father John (Jo) this is making our search difficult.
Do you have any clues to the solving of this puzzle?.
Could there be other entries for their marriage?.
Alexander's full name was Alexander Proudfoot McDonald born 1826,maybe this will help identify the correct entries or solve the Charles / Jo. problem.
Peter.

Name: Alexander Mcdonald
Spouse's Name: Ann Spalding
Event Date: 19 Dec 1849
Event Place: Dundee,Angus,Scotland
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M11282-5
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 993404

Name: Ann Mc Donald
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1860
Birthplace: DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Alexander Mc Donald
Mother's Name: Ann Spalding
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11282-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516

Name: Catherine Wallace Mc Donald
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 23 Apr 1857
Birthplace: DUNDEE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Father's Name: Alexander Mc Donald
Mother's Name: Ann Spalding
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C11282-1
System Origin: Scotland-ODM
GS Film number: 6035516