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Hi helpful folk,

I am looking for a marriage for William Alfred Jones b. 1832 Llanelly to a Jemima b. 1829. Married 1856. Other family members have the marriage as 1886 but as their first child was born 1857 I'm picking it could be a mistake. I have found a couple of marriages in Glamorganshire that would fit but can't find the fathers' names. Is that normal for this period? The bride's surname could be James but once again the rellies have it as Jones which could be correct I suppose. I am wanting the groom's father's name to be John. William is my gg grandfather. I don't want to be buying dozens of MCs just to be wrong.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Jill

If you get the birth certificate of one of the children, then you will know what the mother's surname should be.
Always work backwards systematically.

Could you copy over a census that you have found them in?

Thank-you

I see the marriage you refer to - allegedly - took place in New Zealand...

Is this them, as oldest child born 1868 (unless sibling has died?)

1871 Wales Census
William Jones Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemima Jones
Gender: Male Where born: Llanelly, Brecknockshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanelly Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire Country: Wales
Registration District: Crickhowell Sub-registration District: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household Schedule Number: 99 Piece: 5588
Folio: 12 Page Number: 18
William Jones 38 haullier
Jemima Jones 32 Glastonbury
James Jones 3 Mark (?) Somerset
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5588; Folio: 12; Page: 18; GSU roll: 850875.

I see the marriage you refer to - allegedly - took place in New Zealand...as were - allegedly - the births of the children

Which child of William and Jemima's is your direct ancestor?

Thanks

Nice one, Jude.

Only looking at trees on Ancestry and they include a marriage for Jemima in Manchester and three children born to that marriage in Tasmania and Auckland...with that Jemima being born in North Wales :-S

Have you ruled this one out?

Marriages Sep 1856 (>99%)
Elias Rodger Neath 11a 606
Elias Roger Neath 11a 606
FRANCIS Margaret Neath 11a 606
JAMES Jemima Neath 11a 606
Jones William Neath 11a 606


Name: William Jones
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 08 Sep 1856
Event Place: Neath, St Thomas, Glamorganshire, Wales
Age: 25
Birth Year (Estimated): 1831
Spouse's Name: Jemima James
GS Film number:
Digital Folder Number: 004378371

The image is available on FindMyPast, someone with a sub could look it up for you.

Groom's Forenames: William
Groom's Surname: Jones (Brickmaker)
Groom's Age: 25
Marriage Year: 1856
Marriage Month: Sep
Marriage Day: 8
Event Type: Marriage
Page: 52
Place / Parish: Neath, St Thomas
County: Glamorganshire
Bride's Forenames: Jemima
Bride's surname: James (Basket maker)
Bride's Age: 24
Groom's Father's Forenames: William
Groom's Father's Surname: Jones (Bargeman)
Bride's Father's Forenames: William
Bride's Father's Surname: James (Collier)
Record source: Glamorgan marriages transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

Witnesses - ?? Thomas and Thomas Maber

Address of bride and groom - both Neath

Thanks everyone.
The children were Thomas Henry 1858, David 1860 and Jemima 1863. I am descended from Thomas.

I have searched for a marriage in NZ to no avail. Sorry I have taken so long to reply but am checking your suggestions. I have tried to contact rellies with same tree but as yet no reply. I know they lived in Auckland as Thomas was my paternal grandmother's father. Sorry to be so dense!!

Jill

Hi Beverley,

Yes that's the one I thought a strong possibility. The only way I will know for sure is if I buy the cert.

Jill

I would try and get one of the children's birth certificates....I assume it will show at the very least the mother's details

Jude

I just remembered that my neighbour has FMP so will go and see her.

Jill

Bedtime for us Kiwis. See you in the morning.

Jill

I can't see a suitable remarriage or death for a Jemima Jones in NZ.
There is a Jemima who died in 1901 aged 80 but the dates don't add up.

Could you post the 1861 census that you have found them in?

Thank-you

Hi Beverley,

I have Jemima's death as 1901 but if she was born in 1829 that doesn't quite add up as you say. I have emailed yet another rellie through Ancestry so I am looking forward to seeing what that throws up. Not only do I have Jones in the family but also Wright and Smith but we won't go there yet.

Thanks

Jill

Where were the children (Thomas Henry 1858, David 1860 and Jemima 1863.) born?

Thanks

Hi Patchem,

I haven't found them on 1861 census and I am still trying to find the children's birth places. Sorry to be so slow.

Jill