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..............this would tell you the MMN

Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
Holland Matilda Greenwich 1d 664

They could not have produced children in 1869/70

What was the groom's father's name?

Problems - marriage 1881 both Alfred and Matilda ages as 22?
1st daughter Matilda born in 1869?
6 children by the time they married?
(Thinking out loud)

Hi everyone. Update!
I have received the wedding cert of Alfred and Matilda. 6/6/1881 in Parish Church Lee, Kent
Matilda Forman aged 22, Spinster. Father Henry Forman - Labourer.
Witnesses Charles North and AEC Law or Low

Cambridge Independent Press 05 April 1862

Mary Foreman, widow, of Littleport, apprehended on warrant using threats towards Mary Barrett, married woman, of the same place. Ordered to find one surety £5 for one month.


(Matilda is with Brother George Littleport 1861, James and Mary Barrett next page on Census, also High Street)

Chris :)

Burial
First Name MARY
Last Name FOREMAN
Year Of Death 1873
Month Nov
Day 29
Residence otp
Place LITTLEPORT
Parish Littleport
County Cambridgeshire

Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
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Foreman Mary 75 Ely 3b 351


(can't see Henry!)

Thanks you everyone will pop back when I have received the marriage cert

Mike-That's exactly what I was thinking. :-)

Chris-I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

Maureen

Wonder if when she was asked for mother's maiden name she gave HER mother's maiden name by mistake ?

Hi Maureen
That is all so clever. I have ordered the marriage cert. I so would like to prove your findings right because all the names seem to tie in but watch this space

Just because of the odd place of birth on the 1891-I wondered if this adds up:
1891 England Census about Matild Holland
Name: Matild Holland
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred Holland
Gender: Female
Where born: Gorleston, Norfolk, England
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1851 England Census about Matilda Foreman
Name: Matilda Foreman
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Foreman
Mother's name: Mary Foreman
Gender: Female
Where born: Garboldisham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Littleport
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ely
Sub-registration district: Haddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a

Household schedule number: 177
Piece: 1764
Folio: 687
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Foreman 66
Mary Foreman 46
Martha Foreman 26
Elizabeth Foreman 18
Alfred Foreman 15
Maryann Foreman 14
James Foreman 11
David Foreman 9
Matilda Foreman 4
Esther A Foreman 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1764; Folio: 687; Page: 48
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Henry Firman, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Henry Firman

Spouse's Name: Mary Barrett

Event Date: 22 Feb 1824
Event Place: Littleport, Cambridge, England
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01875-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2206070
Reference ID: p 81 #242
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Matilda Firman, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Matilda Firman
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Dec 1846
Christening Place: Garboldisham, Norfolk, England

Father's Name: Henry Firman

Mother's Name: Mary Firman

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07521-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2262533
Reference ID: item 18 p

Maureen

Yes I believe this is Matilda's marriage

?could this be daughter Matilda marriage.

Name:
Matilda Hollands
Estimated birth year:
abt 1867
Age:
20
Spouse Name:
Ernest Pucknell
Spouse Age:
21
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:
29 May 1887
Parish:
Walworth All Saints
Borough:
Southwark
Father Name:
Alfred James Hollands
Spouse Father:
James Pucknell
Register Type:
Parish Register

But Matilda's on the 71 census with Alfred: (Census taken 2 April)

1871 England Census
about Matilda Hollands Name: Matilda Hollands
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred Hollands
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambridge, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Greenwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 87
Piece: 753
Folio: 42
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Hollands 24
Matilda Hollands 23
Matilda Hollands 2
Louisa A Hollands 2 Months

a bit worrying she had Matilda b1869 and Louisa b1871

Name:
Edward Bennett image age full waiter
Spouse Name:
Matilda Forman image no age given
Record Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
5 Feb 1871
Parish:
Homerton St Barnabas
Borough:
Hackney
Father Name:
Benjamin Bennett
Spouse Father:
John Forman
Register Type:
Parish Register

that marriage cert is online

Shirley thats another possibility

Mike just had another look at Louisa's birth cert, it looks like Barrett but maybe I should try and get that Bennett cert as well

Keep wondering if Barrett could be Bennett


Marriages Mar 1871

Bennett Edward - Hackney 1b 498
Foreman Matilda - Hackney 1b 498
Forman Matilda Hackney 1b 498
Hodge John Hackney 1b 498
Webb Louisa Caroline Hackney 1b 498

another scenario is she was illegitimate born as Forman but then her mum married a Barratt so was also known as that name

There's no marriage on FreeBMD for Alfred Holland & Matilda Barrett.