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Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 30 Apr 2014 22:02

Yes I believe this is Matilda's marriage

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 1 May 2014 02:44

Just because of the odd place of birth on the 1891-I wondered if this adds up:
1891 England Census about Matild Holland
Name: Matild Holland
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred Holland
Gender: Female
Where born: Gorleston, Norfolk, England
.........................
1851 England Census about Matilda Foreman
Name: Matilda Foreman
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Foreman
Mother's name: Mary Foreman
Gender: Female
Where born: Garboldisham, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Littleport
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ely
Sub-registration district: Haddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a

Household schedule number: 177
Piece: 1764
Folio: 687
Page Number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Foreman 66
Mary Foreman 46
Martha Foreman 26
Elizabeth Foreman 18
Alfred Foreman 15
Maryann Foreman 14
James Foreman 11
David Foreman 9
Matilda Foreman 4
Esther A Foreman 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1764; Folio: 687; Page: 48
...............

Family Search

Henry Firman, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Henry Firman

Spouse's Name: Mary Barrett

Event Date: 22 Feb 1824
Event Place: Littleport, Cambridge, England
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01875-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2206070
Reference ID: p 81 #242
...........
Matilda Firman, "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975"
Name: Matilda Firman
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Dec 1846
Christening Place: Garboldisham, Norfolk, England

Father's Name: Henry Firman

Mother's Name: Mary Firman

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07521-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2262533
Reference ID: item 18 p

Maureen

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 1 May 2014 07:05

Hi Maureen
That is all so clever. I have ordered the marriage cert. I so would like to prove your findings right because all the names seem to tie in but watch this space

Mike *

Mike * Report 1 May 2014 11:03

Wonder if when she was asked for mother's maiden name she gave HER mother's maiden name by mistake ?

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 1 May 2014 11:57

Mike-That's exactly what I was thinking. :-)

Chris-I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

Maureen

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 2 May 2014 13:36

Thanks you everyone will pop back when I have received the marriage cert

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 2 May 2014 14:02

Cambridge Independent Press 05 April 1862

Mary Foreman, widow, of Littleport, apprehended on warrant using threats towards Mary Barrett, married woman, of the same place. Ordered to find one surety £5 for one month.


(Matilda is with Brother George Littleport 1861, James and Mary Barrett next page on Census, also High Street)

Chris :)

Burial
First Name MARY
Last Name FOREMAN
Year Of Death 1873
Month Nov
Day 29
Residence otp
Place LITTLEPORT
Parish Littleport
County Cambridgeshire

Deaths Dec 1873 (>99%)
-----------------------------------------
Foreman Mary 75 Ely 3b 351


(can't see Henry!)

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 10 May 2014 20:20

Hi everyone. Update!
I have received the wedding cert of Alfred and Matilda. 6/6/1881 in Parish Church Lee, Kent
Matilda Forman aged 22, Spinster. Father Henry Forman - Labourer.
Witnesses Charles North and AEC Law or Low

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 10 May 2014 20:39

Problems - marriage 1881 both Alfred and Matilda ages as 22?
1st daughter Matilda born in 1869?
6 children by the time they married?
(Thinking out loud)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 May 2014 20:41


They could not have produced children in 1869/70

What was the groom's father's name?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 May 2014 20:53

..............this would tell you the MMN

Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
Holland Matilda Greenwich 1d 664

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 10 May 2014 20:54

Grooms Father James Holland - Carpenter
I have James William Hollands born 1812 Greenwich married to Emma Davis in 1834 as Alfreds father

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 May 2014 20:56

IF.......and it's big IF.......they were both actually 32 when they married, it would make more sense

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name MATILDA
Last Name FOREMAN
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition -
Gender Female
Age 4
Year Of Birth 1847
Occupation -
Birth Place -
Birth Town GARBOLDISHAM
Birth County NORFOLK
House Number -
House Name -
Street WISBECH ROAD
Town -
Parish LITTLEPORT
City -
County Cambridgeshire
Hamlet LITTLEPORT
Parliamentary Borough -
Municipal Ward -
Registration District ELY
Archive Reference HO107
Piece Number 1764
Folio 687
Page 48

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Town
HENRY FOREMAN HEAD 66 1785 GARBOLDISHAM Occupation AG LAB**********
MARY FOREMAN WIFE 46 1805 LITTLEPORT Image Transcription
MARTHA FOREMAN DAUGHTER 26 1825 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
ELIZABETH FOREMAN DAUGHTER 18 1833 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
ALFRED FOREMAN SON 15 1836 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
MARYANN FOREMAN DAUGHTER 14 1837 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
JAMES FOREMAN SON 11 1840 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
DAVID FOREMAN SON 9 1842 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
MATILDA FOREMAN DAUGHTER 4 1847 GARBOLDISHAM Image Transcription
ESTHER A FOREMAN GRAND CHILD 1 1850 LIT DOWNHAM

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 May 2014 20:59

You haven't answered the question about Alfred's status at the time of the marriage..............

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 10 May 2014 21:25

Alfred was Bachelor

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 10 May 2014 23:19

Alfred married Harriet Waters in 1899 on marriage cert he is 52, a widower his father is James Holland - Carpenter

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 11 May 2014 08:17

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)
Name:Louisa Alice Holland
Baptism Date:9 Apr 1871
Father's Name:Alfred Holland (Labourer)
Mother's name:Matilda Holland
Parish or Poor Law Union:Greenwich St Paul
Borough:Greenwich
Register Type:Parish Registers
(abode, 7, Elizabeth Place, North Pole Lane)

Saw above, as 1871 address.

Chris :)

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 11 May 2014 10:07

Louisa's birth cert says formerly Matilda Barrett

Chris from Kent

Chris from Kent Report 11 May 2014 11:19

Any ideas where I can go now?

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 11 May 2014 11:44

Would get the 1869 Matilda, as Reggie posted, see what that gives...

Chris :)

(noticed Rosina Hollands with Pucknells 1901, below relates to them)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Deptford
Church St Paul
RegisterNumber 1983
DateOfBirth 03 Jul 1893
BaptismDate 26 Jul 1893
Forename Ernest James Victor
Sex M
FatherForename Ernest
MotherForename Matilda
FatherSurname PUCKNELL
MotherSurname
Abode Douglas Street
FatherOccupation Lighterman

(from below link, you will also find Matilda, Garboldisham, as posted by Maureen earlier)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl