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Yes we will do that ASAP thank you for your help
Kindest regards jo

Hi Jo

You should keep this family on one thread so that information is not duplicated and helpers can see all the information

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1340979


:-)

Jo, I've mentioned on your other threads about using Trove (the free newspaper archives) when researching in Australia. I've just found this:

I, JAMES BYLOS, also known as Demetrius Chlenizos born at Cerigo, Greece resident 16 vears in Australia now residing at 66 Derwent Street, Glebe, NSW intend to apply for Naturalisation under the Nationality Act 1920-1936.

From The Sydney Morning Herald of 31 May 1943
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17850612?searchTerm=%22james%20bylos%22&searchLimits=

The Greek surname isn't too clear so have a look on the link.

It might just be a complete coincidence but thought worth posting as they married in Glebe.

The naturalisation papers are available from the National Archives of Australia

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NameSearch/Interface/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=1891871

Title: Hlentzos, Demetrios [aka Bylos, James] - Naturalisation
Contents date range: 1943 - 1943
Series number: A659
Control symbol: 1943/1/3903
Item barcode: 1891871
Location:Canberra
Access status: Open
Date of decision: 16 Aug 2013
Physical format: PAPER FILES AND DOCUMENTS (allocated at series level)
Item notes
Date registered: 11 Dec 1996

No, it's not a coincidence!

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Eileen Ellen Bylos
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1943
State: New South Wales
District: West Sydney
Subdistrict: Glebe

Home Duties. Address 66 DERWENT STREET - same as the naturalisation notice.

Just because James Bylos wasn't listed doesn't mean he wasn't living there. As the electoral rolls are lists of people eligible to vote then he wouldn't be included if his naturalisation process wasn't complete.

Jo, it appears then that your grandfather was Greek and his birth name was Demetrius Hlentzos. I would believe the spelling on NAA to be the correct one, other people with the surname Hlentzos also pop up in various parts of NSW.

I strongly recommend you follow up and get a copy of the naturalisation papers, it costs around $27 Aus.

Thank you so much for this i'll look into it now

HLENTZOS Anastassios Harden (Date of Death) 31/05/1932 9 30/09/1932 Pre A 067601 [20/1663] - Occupation: shop assistant (age 28)

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx

(not sure if above related, with that Surname!)

Chris :)

edits

Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District Purchase Certificate
9141/1932 HLENTZOS ANASTASSIOS MENAS IRENE COOTAMUNDRA


Cootamundra Herald (NSW : 1877 - 1957) Monday 6 June 1932

FATE DECIDED BY THE TOSS OF A PENNY

Given that the newspaper notice said he'd been in Australia 16 years then this is possibly his arrival:

Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963

Name: Mr M D Hlentzos
Departure Place: London, United Kingdom - he boarded ship at Port Said
Arrival Date: 16 Nov 1926
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Vessel: Oronsay

No occupation given. Address in Australia stated as 216 Castlereagh Street, Sydney.

I think the record that Chris Ho links may well be connected. The coroner's report is on Ancestry and that man was born in Cerego, Greece.

There are several articles on Trove about it.

Found another record connected to James/Demetrius naturalisation:

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=31530030&isAv=N

Title
SURNAME - HLENTZOS;
GIVEN NAMES- Demetrios;
DATE OF NATURALISATION - 04 SEP 1943;
PREVIOUS NATIONALITY - GREEK;
PLACE OF BIRTH - Cerigo, Potamos, GREECE;
YEAR OF BIRTH - 1909;
PLACE OF RESIDENCE - Glebe, Sydney, NSW;
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION - Known as BYLOS, James; Single
Contents date range - 04 Sep 1943 - 13 Nov 1957
Series number - A714
Control symbol - 16/7519
Item barcode - 31526766
Location - Canberra
Access status - Open
Date of decision - 21 Sep 2012
Physical format - BOUND VOLUMES (allocated at series level)
Visibility and availability indicators - 51.
Constituent item - is part of an aggregate item
Records authority class number - 21672

Interesting that this record appears to have information up to 1957 ....

May I ask which name did you put in and chris ho I couldn't read the artical the writing was a bit small but who died? Was it my great grandparents or someone else?

Bottom right corner of page, see Zoom...(slide along to enlarge)

(not sure yet if Anastassios is related, perhaps keep for reference)

Chris :)

I think it said his brother on the artical on fate determined by a toss of a penny.
Well I didn't have any luck with finding anyone that's related this morning, by calling everyone listed.
Where do I get the paper work on naturalisation?
Once again you have all been a great help
Thank you again jo

Jo, there's no guarantee that Anastassios was his brother, it may have been a cousin.

I posted the links above for the naturalisation records but unfortunately the search results time out after a few hours so you'll need to do the search yourself. The records are on National Archives of Australia.

Here's the link to do a name search:
http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NameSearch/Interface/NameSearchForm.aspx

Put Hlentzos in the Family Name box and select "Immigration and Naturalisation records" from the drop down menu next to Category of Records and then press the Search button. There should then be a box saying there are 6 records found - click on "Display" and then you'll see them.

When you select the record for Hlentzos, Demetrios then there should be a link on the top right of the record that says "Request Copy" - follow that process.

Of course, you may want to try some searches under other categories to see what else comes up.

Thank you so much everyone. I found a relation that lives in california that comes from greece.
I am so greatful that there are so many fantastic people on here that help.
You are so amazing xx

I know this is asking a little to much but can anyone tell me who James bylos or demetrios hlentzos parents where?

Now Ursula's daughter Eilleen she was married in 1944. She had children but im not clear who they are from there was demetrios hlentzos (james bylos) her violent husband,and there was her lover. Her two children Lenny bylos and Jennifer bylos (my mum) she has just found out (today) that my grandmother was Inlove with another man he was an admiral in the navy his last name is McGrath that is the same man that is on Lennys birth certificate.
I believe Lenny died in Victoria a few years ago but I can't find him on births deaths and marriages Victoria Or nsw

Bit of a long shot but there is this death in NSW?

newspaper Record for Leonard James Francis MCGRATH

Name: MCGRATH, Leonard James Francis
Location of Event: at Strathfield,
Date: 11 JUN 1989
Subtype of Record: death notice
Age: 78
Newspaper: Sydney Morning Herald
Notes: pub. 12 JUN 1989.



EDIT

Ypu could probably eliminate the above as here is his marriage

Name: Leonard James Francis Mcgrath
Spouse Name: Gweneth Hay Laws
Marriage Date: 1940
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Burrowa, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1940
Registration Number: 28172

And probably his birth

Name: Leonard J Mcgrath
Birth Date: 1910
Father's Name: William Mcgrath
Mother's name: Fanny
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Place: Mudgee, New South Wales
Registration Number: 29102

Another possible

newspaper Record for Leonard Gerrard MCGRATH

Name: MCGRATH, Leonard Gerrard
Location of Event: late of Chatswood, formerly of Willoughby,
Date: 08 MAY 1987
Subtype of Record: death notice
Newspaper: Sydney Morning Herald
Notes: pub. 09 MAY 1987