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First name(s) HARRY

Last name FORBES

Birth year 1877

Birth parish CHELSEA
Birth town LONDON
Birth county MIDDLESEX
Birth country ENGLAND

Service number 4821

Regiment Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)

Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1896
Attestation Day 4
Attestation Month 1
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months 5

Attestation Corps
Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)

Attestation service number 4821

Discharge Corps Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)

Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 4857
Box Record Number 46
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Record collection Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Father - Henry Mother - Elizabeth
Brothers - William and Richard
Sisters - Ellen, Annie and Mary

>>>>>>>>>>>>Address - 21 Paradise Walk, Queens Road, Chelsea

Has anyone found a birth for Henry age 3 according to the 1881 census? I can't find one, but there is a birth for Harry Forbes Q3/1877 in Chelsea.

If this is him, he looks to have married a widow (Mary Jane Perrin, nee Griffin) in 1909 and moved to Mortlake, Surrey according to 1911 census. On the marriage he named his father as Henry Forbes, but unhelpfully it just says dead rather than give an occupation. Looks like he died in WW1:


Harry Forbes
Birth Place:Chelsea, Middx.
Residence:Mortlake, Surrey
Death Date:18 Oct 1917
Death Place:France and Flanders
Enlistment Place:Battersea, Surrey
Rank:Sergeant
Regiment:Rifle Brigade
Battalion:7th Battalion
Regimental Number:B/457
Type of Casualty:Died of wounds
Theatre of War:Western European Theatre
Comments:M.M.
Other Records:
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CWG gives some other info:

Serjeant Service No:B/457 Date of Death:18/10/1917 Regiment/Service:Rifle Brigade 7th Bn. Awards:M M Grave Reference: I. O. 41. Cemetery:GODEWAERSVELDE BRITISH CEMETERYAdditional Information: Husband of M. J. Forbes, of 81, Avondale Rd., Mortlake, London

That's right Helen, it only appears to go up to 19a - I tried looking for a couple of other people in the street, but they are not showing up either despite being on ERs.

Not getting any nearer to the elusive marriage though - I think the only way to establish Eliza's maiden name is to get one of the birth certificates.

So Henry dies in 1897- last address 21 Paradise Walk. In 1899 his wife Eliza is listed at same address on the Electoral Register, but by 1901 she has moved to Woolwich.

So is 21 Paradise Walk just not listed on the 1891census and that's why we can't find the family?

I can't find Henry or Joseph Beard in 1891 census, but the 1892 electoral rolls show Joseph living 25 Paradise Walk, and Henry Forbes is listed at 21.

ADDED: Joseph appears on ERs from 1883 in Paradise walk, but Henry is not recorded at 21 in 1883. He is recorded 1891/2/6 - but no one is registered to vote from 21 in 1903 when Joseph is recorded at no.27.

Henry is last recorded at that address on 1898 ERs.

They are still at 25 Paradise Walk in 1881, no Henry, but Charles has been correctly transcribed as Forbes on this census.

Here they are in 1871 at 25 Paradise Walk:


Joseph Beard
Age:54
Estimated birth year:abt 1817
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Ann Beard
Gender:Male
Civil Parish:Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration district:Chelsea
Sub-registration district:Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel:13
Household schedule number:302
Piece:76
Folio:93
Page Number:50
Household Members:
NameAge
Joseph Beard 54
Ann Beard 49
Henry Toole 25 <badly transcribed Forbes
Charles Toole 18 < ditto
William Ward 4 <grandson
Robert Gale 23 (boarders)
Ellen Gale 21

Although Henry and Charles are down as "son in laws", I believe it should say stepsons.

This, I think, is Henry Forbes mother re-marrying:


Joseph Beard
Estimated birth year:abt 1816
Age:50
Spouse: Ann Forbes
Spouse Age:40
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:18 Oct 1866
Parish:St Luke, Chelsea
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name:Adam Beard
Spouse Father:Richard Powell
Register Type:Parish Register

Both are widowed. His address is 21 Paradise Walk and her's 25 Paradise Walk.

I think this is Henry's baptism (they are on the 1851/61 census)


Henry George Forbes
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:2 Oct 1845
Father's Name:Marcus Forbes <<Mariner
Mother's name:Ann Forbes
Parish or Poor Law Union:Chelsea St Jude
Borough:Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type:Parish Registers

Of 4 Turks Row, christened same day was sister Maria age 2 1/2

1891 (Find My Past)
Mary Ann Forbes Head Widow Female 30 1861 Laundress London
William Forbes Son - Male 9 1882 - London
George Castle Boarder Single Male 34 1857 Bricklayers Labourer London
Margaret W Donnell Head Widow Female 56 1835 Laundress London
Eleanor Forbes Granddaughter - Female 12 1879 - London
Street Paradise Walk
Parish Chelsea
Enumeration district 5
Series RG12
Piece number 63
Folio number 181
Page 67

(bit confusing!, all above at 18 Paradise Walk, and possibly below couple, not seeing 21)


Marriages Sep 1872 (>99%)
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Donell Thomas Kensington 1a 66
Goodman Mary Ann Kensington 1a 66

Chris :)


(Margaret W Donnell abt 1835 Wests, London, England Head Chelsea, London)
or, as above on Ancestry)

could this be Elen Forbes in 1891?????


1891 Census

Name: Helen Forbes
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South

Frances C Locking 71 Head, Widow, no occupation shown
Leonara Locking 30 Daughter, Artist
Helen Forbes 15 General Servant

Address:- 16 Cheyne Row

I haven't been able to find the family on the 1891 census but their children Thomas Forbes born 1st July 1889 and Richard Joseph Forbes born 2nd April 1891 were both baptised on 10th June 1891 at Christchurch, Chelsea. Their address is listed as-

21 Paradise Walk, Chelsea

May be someone can find them using this address??

I don't have a subscription for find my past so can't view details, but there is a Forbes family living in Paradise walk Chelsea in 1891 that could be related

Deaths Sep 1891 (>99%)
Forbes Thomas 2 Chelsea 1a 268

Thanks so much to all of you for your hard work. I'm about to sign out of GR as my wife and I are off for a meal with friends. I will take a further look tomorrow to see if anything else has come to light. Take care.
Ron

marriage for mary ann


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008


First Name MARY ANN
Last Name FORBES
Gender Female
Year 1910
Spouse
Image Quarter 2
Country England
County London
District CHELSEA
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 1A
Page 757
Line Number 21
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Collections from Great Britain

she married George wood

Thanks safc, that's another child of Henry and Eliza I didn't know about

1911 England Census

Name:Ellen Thorne

Age in 1911:34

Estimated birth year:abt 1877

Relation to Head:Wife

Gender:Female

Birth Place:Chelsea, London, England

Civil Parish:Wolverhampton

County/Island:Staffordshire

Street address:74 North Road, Wolverhampton

Marital Status:Married

Years Married:8

Estimated Marriage Year:1903

Registration district:Wolverhampton

Registration District Number:369

Sub-registration district:Wolverhampton Eastern

ED, institution, or vessel:4
Household schedule number:206
Piece:17056

Household Members:


Edward Ernest Thorne 34
Ellen Thorne 34
Thomas Edward Thorne 7
Harry William Thorne 5
Edward Ernest Thorne 3
Frederick Thorne 2
Arthur Thorne 1/12

this looks like his marriage


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008


First Name WILLIAM
Last Name FORBES
Gender Male
Year 1910
Spouse
Image Quarter 3
Country England
County London
District WOOLWICH
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 1D
Page 2457
Line Number 114
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Collections from Great Britain

Spouse MatchSpouse Match: William FORBES married Elizabeth NORTHAM
First Name ELIZABETH
Last Name NORTHAM
Gender Female
Year 1910
Spouse
Image Quarter 3
Country England
County London
District WOOLWICH
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 1D
Page 2457
Line Number 7
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Collections from Great Britain

William is the head of household

Thomas Forbes

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 10 June 1891 Christ Church, Chelsea, Middlesex, England
residence: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

father: Henry Forbes
mother: Eliza Forbes

Richard Joseph Forbes

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 10 June 1891 Christ Church, Chelsea, Middlesex, England
residence: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

father: Henry Forbes
mother: Eliza Forbes



Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
Forbes Thomas Chelsea 1a 338