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Your right i have got the wrong Burton family ! thanks for all your help really appreciated thank you all so much .Back to the drawing board for me ! :-D

Deceased name Alice Maud BURTON
Date of Burial 21/07/1921
Gender Female
Age 35 Years
Date of death Unknown
Location Teddington Cemetery
Section M
Grave 451

http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/lbrburials/(S(tyrfwfzyjj0vhp55kswuve45))/Search.aspx


Deaths Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Burton Alice M 35 Paddington 1a 29

(saw above, if relating anywhere)

Chris :)

edits

02 February 1912 - Chelmsford Chronicle - Chelmsford, Essex, England

CYCLE CASE AT CHELMSFORD
Chelmsford, on Saturday, before the Mayor. Harry James Burton, a labourer, of Chelmsford, was, charged with stealing a bicycle, value £3 of James Pitman, a fitter of Compasses-road, Chelmsford. Prosecutor said he went to the Compasses lnn on Thursday, leaving his cycle outside. Accused came in, they had a conversation, and witness stood him a drink. Accused left first. A few minutes later witness went out and the bicycle had gone. Detective Sergt. Flack spoke to receiving the accused from the Police at Hampton, Middlesex. Defendant said "I am very sorry, I should not have done it, only I was in drink". witness recovered the cycle from the kitchen of a house at Hampton. Accused's wife came from Hampton. A remand was ordered, and bail was offered.

Hi Jayne,

The 1911 census is correct, but I think you have been tracing the wrong family for Harry Burton.

Take a look at the information found on here by rootgatherer it may put you on the right track. Your Harry was born c1885/6 but the Harry you've been following was born in 1883.

I think you need to order the marriage certificate of Alice and Harry to confirm the information (age, father's details etc). When you have the correct info you can then trace Gladys's paternal (Burton) Grandparents.

If you need help ordering certificates or are still confused, just ask.

I've only got Gladys birth and marriage certificate ..0n her birth certificate her father is Harry James Burton the address is 7 Westbank road Hampton on hill Richmond her mother was a definite Alive Maud Mansell .on her marriage certificate she was living at 45 Townsfield street Chelmsford in 1931 . :-S

No I haven't got the marriage certificate for Harry James BUrton or Alice Maud MAnsell but I've got Gladys Birth living at 7 Westbank road Richmond and on the marriage certificate the address is 45 towns field street CHelmsford and it states Harry J as the father .Harry James Burton is on the 1911 census living with Alice and her dad George do you think I've possible got the wrong family lol I'm getting confused :-S

Yes Gritty, her address at the time of her marriage would help too.

Name: Kate Emma Burton
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Colchester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 645



Name: Kate E Burton
Spouse Surname: Harris, Thomas
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Registration district: Chelmsford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 868


Name: Kate E Harris
Birth Date: abt 1894
Date of Registration: Dec 1963
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: essex South Western
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 115


EDIT
Not above death, she was Kate Eva.

Name: Kate E Harris
Spouse Surname: Scrivner
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1924
Registration district: Rochford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 1454



Name: Kate Emma Scrivner
Birth Date: 8 Feb 1896
Date of Registration: Sep 1971
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Southend on Sea
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 2139

and the address she was living at at time of marriage

Gladys could have lived with her grandparents or maybe even some of her aunts or uncles.

Jayne are you able to tell us who witnessed Gladys's marriage please?

That looks more hopeful Prickles.

Maybe deaths for our Harry's parents?

Name: Emma K Burton
Birth Date: abt 1865
Date of Registration: Dec 1931
Age at Death: 66
Registration district: Rochford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 775


Name: James A Burton
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Sep 1931
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Rochford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 620

???

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
about Harry J Burton Name:Harry J Burton
Birth Date:abt 1885
Date of Registration:Mar 1924
Age at Death:39
Registration district:Reigate
Inferred County:Surrey
Volume:2a
Page:362

Yes I already deleted it Rootgatherer......realising that the birth could apply to other Harry.

I think you are on to something with that birth for 1885.

Rootgather- that 1885 birth looks the right one, well found

Prickles, I think that is the wrong Harry James Burton.

Gladys's father's birth year is 1886 on the 1911 census.

I think Jayne has the wrong Burton grandparents for Gladys.

Jayne have you got a copy of Alice Maud and Harry James's marriage certificate please? Or did you just assume Harry's parents from census records please.

If this is the correct marriage for his parents

Name: James Alfred Burton
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Chelmsford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 481
Records on Page:
Name
James Alfred Burton
Emma Kezia Clarke
William Goodwin
Sarah Ann Noakes


Then I think this may be Harry's birth

Name: Harry James B Clarke
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Chelmsford
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 382

Just for ref: 1911

George Mansell Head Widower 52 1859 Sussex North Chaple Cowman
Bessie May Mansell Daughter Female 12 1899 Middlesex Hampton School
Alice Maud Burton Daughter Married 24 1887 Middlesex Hampton House Keeper
Harry James Burton Son In Law Married 25 1886 Essex Chelmsford Carman
Maria Stalley Boarder Widow Female 73 1838 Middlesex Hampton Needlework

Address 7 Westbank Road Hampton Middlesex
Parish Hampton
County Surrey
Country England
Registration district Kingston
Registration district number 40
Subdistrict Hampton
Subdistrict number 5
Enumeration district 5
Piece number 3565
Schedule number 374
Census reference RG14PN3565 RG78PN134 RD40 SD5 ED5 SN374

1911

Name: James Burton
Age in 1911: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Chelmsford, Essex
Civil Parish: Chelmsford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 16 Townfield St, Chelmsford, Essex
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 23
Estimated Marriage Year: 1888
Occupation: Iron Moulder
Registration district: Chelmsford
Registration District Number: 194
Sub-registration district: Chelmsford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 234
Piece: 10049
Household Members:
Name Age
James Burton 51
Emma Burton 45
Kate Burton 16


Married 23 years, 11 children born, 4 living, 7 had died.

I think you have the wrong grandparents for Gladys. I think this is her father with his parents.

1891

Name: Harry Burton
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Burton
Mother's name: Emma Burton
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelmsford, Essex, England
Civil Parish: St Mary at the Walls
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary at the Walls
Town: Colchester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1407
Folio: 135
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
James Burton 31, Iron Moulder, b. Chelmsfore
Emma Burton 25, b. Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk
Harry Burton 5
Charles Burton 2
Maria Warren 51, mother in law, b. Ireland

A tree on Ancestry has a different spouse for Harry James.

This they think is him in 1911

Name: Harry James Burton
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Husband
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ham, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 32 Riverdale Road, Plumstead, Woolwich, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: COAL TRIMMER AT WOOLWICH BORO COUNCIL ELECTRICITY WORKS WHITE HART RD PLUMSTEAD
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Plumstead East
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 2910
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry James Burton 28
Susan Jane Burton 28
Susan Jane Burton 4
Harry Thomas Burton 0


They have his parents as Charles Edward and Charlotte L.

They have no death for Harry but his wife Susan d. 1973.


Name: Harry James Burton
Registration Year: 1906
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Woolwich
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 2093

Records on Page:
Name
Harry James Burton
Annie Geehan
Susan Jane Juby
George Samuel Livett