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Samuel Bailey, born Lancashire 18/2/1886. Pls help

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Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 10:50

Having previously said there was no record of his travel, I've now found

First name(s) SAML
Last name BAILEY
Gender Male
Marital status M
Occupation FARMER
Departure year 1910
Departure day 5
Departure month 8
Departure port LONDON
Destination port FREMANTLE
Destination FREMANTLE
State Western Australia
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name OSTERLEY
Ship official number 128287
Ship master's first name W J
Ship master's last name JENKS
Shipping line ORIENT
City LONDON
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship square feet 14082
Ship registered tonnage 6781
Number of passengers 911
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States
Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
State First name(s) Last name Title
Western Australia - BAILEY MRS

I will attempt to send the image to you via GR.

Susan

Susan Report 2 Oct 2014 10:54


Just found this but it is for 1912 any help to you

BAILEY SIDNEY E Male PERTH 93 1912



Edit

Great find Jaqualine,getting square eyes for looking :-D

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 10:55

I wonder if Samuel returned to England, then went back to Australia


Same occupation as 1910


First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name BAILEY
Gender Male
Age 40
Birth year 1886
Occupation FARMER
Departure year 1926
Departure day 9
Departure month 3
Departure port LONDON
Destination port SYDNEY
Destination SYDNEY
State New South Wales
Country AUSTRALIA
Destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship name BENALLA
Ship official number 135322
Ship master's first name J S
Ship master's last name SHEEPWASH
Ship master's title CAPTAIN
Shipping line P. & O. AUSTRALIA VIA THE CAPE SERVICE
City LONDON
Ship destination port AUSTRALIA
Ship destination country AUSTRALIA
Ship square feet 21269
Ship registered tonnage 6988
Number of passengers 799
Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Record collection Passenger lists
Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States

UK address c/o H Hall & Son, Uttoxeter.

Intending to reside permanently in Australia

Departure date in conjunction with age would fit a February birth

Perhaps someone would kindly check the incoming records on Ancestry, to which I do not have access.

Susan

Susan Report 2 Oct 2014 11:02

Is this the one you want Jacqualine..

K, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Samuel Bailey
Name: Samuel Bailey
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Date: abt 1886
Departure Date: 11 Mar 1926
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Benalla
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Benalla' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Official Number: 135322
Master: Captain J S Sheepwash

Sandy

Sandy Report 2 Oct 2014 11:15

I believe that the travel info would be correct, and now has me wondering why he would go back home and then come back to Australia?

Any clues as to where the travel info comes from?

And could it be that we are looking for a death in NSW?

Susan, the birth info for BAILEY SIDNEY E Male - at a glance looks to be correct, just not the dates, but maybe we have them wrong, or Sidney didn't know for sure?

Susan

Susan Report 2 Oct 2014 11:28

Sandy ..that is the only birth in Perth WA for a Sidney E Bailey

I cannot see a travel for him going back to UK....Yet.

I have to go and get dinner or the OH will divorce me.

be back later :-)

Sue

Sandy

Sandy Report 2 Oct 2014 11:42

Thanks Sue,

Well, looks like that will be his birth date. Can I ask where you found it? As I would be interested in purchasing the certificate

You are wonderful :-)

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 2 Oct 2014 12:05

The travel info I posted is from the same source as the record I sent you........the transcription on FMP of actual shipping records

Sandy

Sandy Report 2 Oct 2014 12:17

Thanks Jacqueline - also wonderful :-)

Susan

Susan Report 2 Oct 2014 12:32



I use Ancestry but the Birth is from the BDM of WA

www.dotag.wa.gov.au

Sandy

Sandy Report 2 Oct 2014 23:34

Thanks Susan, I will go and order the certificate

Cherilyn

Cherilyn Report 3 Oct 2014 03:47

Hi Sandy

I think he might be the Samuel BAILEY who died 9/9/1942 in Perth, WA, aged 56. The age is a perfect match! He is buried at Karrakatta Anglican (www.mcb.wa.gov.au).

If this is him then he remarried in 1920 to Bertha Hilda May EVENIS (reg 531, Perth). She had two daughters (his stepdaughters) Edna & Beryl, named in his funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47346815

Bertha died 3/11/1953 aged 65. Her daughter Edna Constance May was born as EVENIS in 1911 and died as COOMBS 12/10/1969. Younger daughter was born as Adele B EVENIS in 1914 and died as Beryl Adele BACHE 4/4/1970.

Bertha H M COTRILL married Wm EVENIS in 1911. Bertha & Wm divorced in 1920.

Sandy

Sandy Report 3 Oct 2014 03:59

Hi Cherilyn,

You are thinking the same thing that I am too - I have just trawled through Trove, and I have all of the newspaper articles on him, including this one..
Samuel Bailey (36), insurance, agent,was remanded on bail on a charge of having assaulted his wife, Bertha Bailey., Tuesday 7 November 1922 :-(

Thank you for looking, I am just astounded at all the help I have recieved! :-)
I think I will also order his death certificate, can't hurt

Susan

Susan Report 3 Oct 2014 04:30


Hi Sandy

Pretty sure the Birth is correct for Sidney,please bear in mind that Samuel did go back to the Uk at some time ( not yet found)and come back again to SIDNEY (Many thousands of Ks from Perth WA )in 1926.
If me married Bertha in 1920 I find it strange he did not come back to WA to be with his said Wife Bertha.

Please let us know about the Certs and what it says I am very interested about this one :-)
In the meantime I will keep looking :-(

Sue

Sandy

Sandy Report 3 Oct 2014 04:42

Hi Sue,

I know it is all (at this stage) speculation, but I am willing to get the birth certificate for Sidney (he was born on the 30th Dec in 1911, so the registration in 1912 would be logical) and the death certificate for Samuel just to find out. He may have gone back to the UK for a visit, and for some reason stopped in NSW before returning to Perth. I am going to do a bit more homework on the Bertha theory first.

I will definitely keep you all posted, but in the meantime if you come across anything else, please let me know

Sandy

:-)

Susan

Susan Report 3 Oct 2014 04:51



Sandy I will keep looking,do you know the layout of OZ at all.

He would have passed WA first to get to Sydney.

I love these Threads... they test us all. :-)

Sandy

Sandy Report 3 Oct 2014 05:11

Hi Sue,

Geography and travel are 2 of my weak points... :-(

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 3 Oct 2014 06:54

I can't see him arriving back in the UK 1920 +/- 10 years

Sandy

Sandy Report 3 Oct 2014 07:08

Thanks for looking for me Sylvia :-)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Oct 2014 07:47

Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963

Western Australia, Australia, Crew and Passenger Lists, 1852-1930

(above are on Ancestry)

Chris :)

(they have the 1910 outgoing as below, with him wife M.C. perhaps meaning Mrs)

Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963
Name: T Bailey (Agent)
Gender: Female
Departure Place: London, United Kingdom
Arrival Date: 6 Sep 1910
Arrival Place: Fremantle, Western Australia, Australia
Vessel: Osterley

(just name Mr S Bailey for 1926 'Benalla' on above)


http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/archive-collection/family-history

(probably better to see at Archives)