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The baptism is the exact same date as the second marriage ceremony -23rd June 1923, so I suspect you are right and it is Emma Edith Weller as was.

Still the possibility that the James George Burgan also baptised 1923 might be her child.

EDIT: on the baptism transcription, Emma Edith's parents are recorded as John and Jane Burgan, though.

The Church of England will marry anyone who professes to be a Christian. They do not have to be baptised in any denomination.
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http://www.stmarysmumbai.com/ourChurch.html
St Mary the Virgin, Parel is CoE

I have now found the birth of 6 more sons in England from 1926-36. Don't know if there are any more in India or any daughters.

Wondering if that baptism was Emma Edith Weller as was, as she was born c1902/3. Think we only found baptism records for the 1st 4 of the family & she was no. 7. Her family were RC but we don't know what this baptism was do we? Would she have had to be baptised/rebaptised CofE if that's where wedding was?

No miaden name for mother given, nor forenames for either parent.

However same location as that second marriage ceremony......and note the child's forenames.

First name(s) Emma Edith
Last name Burgan
Baptism year 1923
Birth year 1923
Place Karachi
Presidency Bombay
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Burgan
Baptism date 1923
Birth date 1923
Archive reference N-3-129
Folio 112
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
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This child also baptised same year and location, again, no maiden name for mother so purely speculative.

First name(s) James George
Last name Burgan
Baptism year 1923
Birth year 1923
Place Karachi
Presidency Bombay
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Burgan
Baptism date 1923
Birth date 1923
Archive reference N-3-129
Folio 112
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
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EDIT: Scrap the baptism, she was born 1902!!!!

Name: Emma Edith Burgan
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Jun 1923
Christening Place: Karachi, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1902
Father's Name: John Burgan
Mother's Name: Jane

How strange to have a 2nd ceremony 6 months later! Is there any record of any children being born in India or had they moved to the UK by then?
Thank you for all this information. I too have to keep going back and checking all the posts again.
I think now that one William Thomas Weller is the wrong one, but not sure if I have the birth of the right one! I had never thought that Weller was a common name until I started looking and to have several of the same name and age is very muddling.

Looks like Emma Edith had 2 ceremonies.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription


At St Mary of Bethany Church, Quetta married by banns.

First name(s) Emma Edith
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1922
Marriage date 26 Dec 1922
Spouse's first name James
Spouse's last name Burgan, Staff Sergt RASC
Place Quetta
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 25
Bride's age 20
Groom's father's first name James
Groom's father's last name Burgan (deceased)
Bride's father's first name -
Bride's father's last name -
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-465
Folio number 167

Witnesses were Leonard Ella and Maurice Sage. Harold Spooner was the Senior Chaplain who performed the ceremony.


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British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription


Married by license at Karachi, ?, Archdiocese of Bombay. RC

First name(s) Emma Edith
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1923
Marriage date 23 Jun 1923
Spouse's first name James
Spouse's last name Burgan RAI? Corps
Place Bombay
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 25
Bride's age 20
Groom's father's first name Alice B
Groom's father's last name James
Bride's father's first name Mary W
Bride's father's last name Will
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Archive reference N-3-129
Folio number 206
Entry number 3

Witnesses were Maude Kayat? and Daisy Crane. Rev JJ Meyer performed the ceremony.

Also:

First name(s) Edith Marguerite
Last name Coles
Baptism year 1908
Birth year 1908
Place Parel,St Mary the Virgin
Presidency -
Mother's first name(s) Evelyn Catherine
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William Henry
Father's last name Coles
Baptism date 5 Apr 1908
Birth date 09 Mar 1908
Archive reference -
Folio 209
Page -
Catalogue descriptions -
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
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I think you've had this one - Jennet?

First name(s) Jennie Lavinia Thelma
Last name Coles
Baptism year 1912
Birth year 1912
Place Parel,St Mary the Virgin
Presidency Bombay
Mother's first name(s) Evelyn Catherine
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William Henry
Father's last name Coles
Baptism date 9 Mar 1912
Birth date 11 Feb 1912
Archive reference N-3-107
Folio 31
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948
Record set British India Office births & baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Record collection Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Apologies if these births have already been posted, hard to keep track now we're on page 3.


Name: Evelyn Clifford Coles
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Jul 1903
Christening Place: Parel, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 11 Jun 1903
Father's Name: William Henry Coles
Mother's Name: Evelyn Catherine
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00228-0 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 462969

EDit: says female on baptism register.

Name: Lily Elsie Coles
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 28 Feb 1906
Christening Place: Byculla, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 20 Jan 1906
Father's Name: William Henry Coles
Mother's Name: Evelyn Catherine
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00228-3 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 462972

died as infant:

Name: Lilly Elsie Coles
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 18 Jun 1912
Burial Place: Sewri, Bombay, India
Death Date: 18 Jun 1912
Age: 6
Birth Date: 1906
Father's Name: William Henry Coles
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B00264-3 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523897

Name: Florence Irene Lucy Coles
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Nov 1909
Christening Place: Bombay, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1909
Father's Name: William Henry Coles
Mother's Name: Evelyn Catherine
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00228-9 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523892

If this burial record on Ancestry is the correct Jennet, then the family must hav stayed in India for some years

Name: Jennett Coles
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 13
Birth Date: 1912
Death Date: 2 Sep 1925
Burial Date: 3 Sep 1925
Burial Place: Bombay, Bombay, India
Father: William Henry Coles
FHL Film Number: 528107

Very interesting. So G/Grandfather did something wrong - that was never mentioned! I have a horrid suspicion that my G/father did too.
I am in touch with relatives of Edith Coles but didn't know that they went back to India in 1915. Strange in the middle of WW1. Wonder when they came back to UK. Think there were 2 more children after Jenny (Jennet).
Thanks so much.

Departure Date: 31 Jul 1915
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Colombo, Sri Lanka
Ship Name: Osterley
Shipping line: Orient Line
Official Number: 128287
Master: W J Jenks

William H Coles 38 Engineer Intended permanent residence India
Evelyn Coles 31
Edith Coles 7
Florrie Coles 5
Jenny Coles 2 1/2

This link gives details of Evelyn's later marriages to Fisk and then Gadsden

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=626649.9

England and Wales National Probate calendar
Evelyn Catherine Gadsden of Hillesden 37 New Road Bourne End Buckinghamshire, Widow, died 9 July 1963 at 37 Fryston Avenue Addiscombe Croydon Surrey. Probate Oxford 27 September to Edith Margaret Nash and Florence Irene Lucy Lane Married woman. Effects 6536 pounds 5 shillings and tuppence

Just to recap- Details of your William Thomas Weller from his military file

Born Seetang, Burmah

He enlisted for the Royal Artillery on 18th March 1872 aged 14yrs and 7mths at Bangalore

He was Roman Catholic

Mother Sarah lived in Bangalore in 1872

He served in England Nov 1878- Jan 1879 (then returned to Bombay, India)

He married Mary Walsh 3rd June 1882 Morar- witnesses were Edward Green and Emily ?

He and Mary had 4 children baptised (listed earlier)

He was promoted from Corporal to Sergeant in August 1889

He was arrest and tried for ? committing crime in 1890 and was sentenced to 1 yr in prison and demoted to Gunner

He was discharged in Belgaum, India (as Gunner) in June 1893.
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His marriage to Mary shows father John:

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns
First name(s) William Thomas
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1882
Marriage date 3 Jun 1882
Spouse's first name Mary
Spouse's last name Walsh
Place Morar Gwalior
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 24
Bride's age 16
Groom's father John Weller
Bride's father John Walsh
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-180
Folio number 252

Ah, thank you. Obviously not the same person then. This is what I find so confusing when there are several people with the same name in the same place!

I'm late joining this thread and don't want to confuse things, but wanted to mention that the baptism put up earlier (pasted below), gives William's parents as John and Mary.

However, on the military record that was put up for him, there is a document included before his marriage (where his age is given as 14 years and 7mths) which states he was born Seetang, Burmah, and his next of Kin is given as Mother SARAH, Bangalore.

Baptism
First name(s) William Thomas
Last name Weller
Baptism year 1857
Birth year 1857
Place Rangoon
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Weller
Baptism date 13 Nov 1857
Birth date 04 Aug 1857
Archive reference N-1-92
Folio 826

I don't think that is the right Lillian (Lily) Scott as I have a photo supposedly of her in UK in 1926.
I have Esther's married name as Parsous, not Parsons, so maybe that's why I haven't got anywhere - all the other names are the same.
Yes, that sounds like William John. I had never know my Grandmother had a brother until recently, but if he died young, that's probably why.
Information I have for the last sister I know of, Emma Edith, is that she married a James Burgan in India. Possibly the same person who had several sons born in UK.

Wonder if this is William John's death? He was a fireman on the G. I? P. Railway.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) William
Last name Weller
Birth year 1886
Death date 12 Nov 1911
Death year 1911
Age 25
Burial date 13 Nov 1911
Place Bhusaval
Presidency Bombay
Archive Reference N-3-106
Folio -
Page 305

Poor Dorothy Charlotte did not spend much time in this world.


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First name(s) Dorothy
Last name Weller
Birth year 1894
Death date 02 Jun 1894
Death year 1894
Age 5M
Burial date 03 Jun 1894
Place Poona,St Sepulchre
Presidency Bombay
Archive Reference N-3-71
Folio -
Page 395

Inez, I have found a marriage for Pamela to a Coles so Cobs is possibly an error. The initials of the son is also an error as the tree I referred to has him as A A J not R A J.

Esther Lavinia's marriage. He was a Berthing Master.


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First name(s) Esther Levina
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1916
Marriage date 10 May 1916
Spouse's first name Frederick Thomas
Spouse's last name Horton Parsons
Place Bombay
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 28
Bride's age 21
Groom's father's first name Frederick George
Groom's father's last name Horton Parsons
Bride's father's first name William Thomas
Bride's father's last name Weller
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Archive reference N-3-115
Folio number 223
Entry number 22