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Thanks so much for this extra information. I knew they had 3 children, 1 son & 2 daughters, one called Pamela, presumably the Mrs P Cobs above, as I have a photo of her. So my aunt obviously came back to England after her husband died.
Very grateful for all the looking you are doing for me.

Possible death for Lilian Phoebe? her husband worked for the Revenue and Audit Office, Bombay Port Trust. Cause of death was Anaemid.(sic)

Possibly anaemia?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) Lilian
Last name Scott
Birth year 1892
Death date 27 Nov 1924
Death year 1924
Age 32
Burial date 28 Nov 1924
Place Nasik
Presidency Bombay
Archive Reference N-3-131
Folio -
Page 305

Agnes Margaret's husband. His place of death was 20 M'Ville Rd, Langford Town, Bangalore, he was a retired Bombay Customs officer. He died of nephritis and his next of kin were his wife, A S Butterfield and daughter, Mrs P Cobs.
His relatives in England were Mr R Butterfield (bro) of Abbots Close, Guildford, Surrey and Mr R A J Butterfield, son, of St Mary's Rd, South Norwood.
He and his wife owned the premises where he died.
He was born in Mandi, Bombay.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) Archbold Stenley
Last name Butterfield
Birth year 1891
Death date 06 Nov 1950
Death year 1950
Age 59
Place -
Presidency -
Archive Reference N-11
Folio -
Page 137



British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Archibald Stanley
Last name Butterfield
Baptism year 1891
Birth year 1891
Place Bombay,St Nicholas
Presidency Bombay
Mother's first name(s) Caroline
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) Alfred L
Father's last name Butterfield
Baptism date 9 May 1891
Birth date 21 Apr 1891
Archive reference N-3-65
Folio 227


This person was looking for the Butterfields some years ago.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BUTTERFIELD/2007-09/1188925296


There is also a tree on ancestry with this family on it. They had 3 children.


and Agnes' death.


Name: Agnes M Butterfield
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Mar 1965
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Leeds
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 415

Thank you for all this. I did know about William Thomas' children as Mary Eliz was my Grandmother, but not that both he & his father were in the army. Was his father (John) also born in India then? No record of W T's death? The Irish connection must go back a very long way then.
Is there any way of finding out when the children left India for UK & what happened to them & their families? I obviously know about my side and also Evy Coles side & that some of the others came to UK as there are family photos, but I can't trace them in records.
Many thanks

Possible marriage for John and Mary? John was a gunner with 2nd Battalion Artillery.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1849
Marriage date 25 Jan 1849
Spouse's first name Mary
Spouse's last name Hilton
Place Madras
Presidency Madras
Groom's age 24
Bride's age 14
Groom's father's first name Sarah Thomas (reads son of Thomas)
Groom's father's last name Weller
Bride's father's first name William
Bride's father's last name Hilton
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948
Archive reference N-2-28
Folio number 82


and his death?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Weller
Birth year 1825
Death date 15 Apr 1858
Death year 1858
Age 33
Burial date 16 Apr 1858
Place Madras,St Mary
Presidency Madras
Archive Reference N-2-39
Folio -
Page 95



British India Office Wills of Soldiers Transcription

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First name(s) John
Last name Weller
Title Bombardier
Presidency Madras
Death year 1858
Death date 15 Apr 1858
Event year 1859
Place -
Record type Inventory
Catalogue description Wills of Soldiers - Treasury deposits, Madras vol 5

Name: Archibald Stanley Butterefield
Birth Date: 1890
Age: 23
Spouse's Name: Agnes Margaret Weller
Spouse's Birth Date: 1892
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 13 Sep 1913
Event Place: Bombay, Bombay, India
Father's Name: Alfred L. Butterfield
Spouse's Father's Name: William Weller
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00210-5 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523900 , Reference ID: vol 110

Name: Walter Scott
Birth Date: 1877
Age: 35
Spouse's Name: Lilian Phoebe Weller
Spouse's Birth Date: 1891
Spouse's Age: 21
Event Date: 23 Apr 1912
Event Place: Bombay, India
Father's Name: Wallis Scott
Spouse's Father's Name: William Weller
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00208-6 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523897

Name: William Henry Coles
Birth Date: 1877
Age: 25
Spouse's Name: Evelyn Catherine Weller
Spouse's Birth Date: 1884
Spouse's Age: 18
Event Date: 17 Dec 1902
Event Place: Parel, Bombay, India
Father's Name: William Samuel Coles
Spouse's Father's Name: William Thomas Weller
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00206-9 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523889

Name: Esther Lavinia Weller
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 16 May 1895
Christening Place: Poona, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1895
Father's Name: William Thomas Weller
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C82927-3 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523874

GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924) Transcription
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First name(s) AGNES M
Last name WELLER
Year range 1890
Place NOWGONG
Country INDIA
Regiment Royal Artillery
Record source GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)
Volume 374
Page 141
Record set British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005

Name: Lilly Phoeby Weller
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 08 Dec 1892
Christening Place: Belgaum, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 18 Nov 1892
Father's Name: William Thomas Weller
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75244-4 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523869 , Reference ID: v 68 p 219

Name: William John Weller
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Sep 1886
Christening Place: Nowgong, Bengal, India
Birth Date: 14 Sep 1886
Father's Name: William Thomas Weller
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C75027-7 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 510879

Name: Dorothy Charlotte Weller
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Feb 1894
Christening Place: Poona, Bombay, India
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1894
Birthplace: India
Father's Name: William Thomas Weller
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C82927-0 , System Origin: India-EASy , GS Film number: 523872

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Mary Elizabeth
Last name Weller
Baptism year 1888
Birth year 1888
Place Meean Meer,St Mary Magdalene
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William Thomas
Father's last name Weller
Baptism date 4 Dec 1888
Birth date 28 Oct 1888
Archive reference N-1-206
Folio 67

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) William John
Last name Weller
Baptism year 1886
Birth year 1886
Place Central Provinces
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William Thomas
Father's last name Weller
Baptism date 29 Sep 1886
Birth date 14 Sep 1886
Archive reference N-1-197
Folio 36

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) Catherine Evelyn
Last name Weller
Baptism year 1884
Birth year 1884
Place Lucknow
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) William Thomas
Father's last name Weller
Baptism date 19 Oct 1884
Birth date 30 Sep 1884
Archive reference N-1-190
Folio 254


Is this Catherine Evelyn?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) Evelyn Catherine
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1902
Marriage date 17 Dec 1902
Spouse's first name William Henry
Spouse's last name Coles
Place Parel St Mary the Virgin
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 25
Bride's age 18
Groom's father's first name William Samuel
Groom's father's last name Coles
Bride's father's first name William Thomas
Bride's father's last name Weller
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Archive reference N-3-88
Folio number 238
Entry number 49

Children were Catherine Evelyn born 13.09.84 bap. 19.10.84 Lucknow. William John born 14.09.86 bap. 29.09.86. May Elizabeth born 28.10.88 bap. 04.12.88 and Agnes Margaret born 29.07.90 bap. 29.08.90.



British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
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First name(s) WILLIAM THOMAS
Last name WELLER
Birth year 1858
Birth parish SEETANG
Birth town SEETANG
Birth county BURMA
Birth country INDIA
Service number 7702
Rank -
Regiment Royal Artillery
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1872
Attestation Day 19
Attestation Month 3
Attestation age years 14
Attestation age months 7
Attestation Corps Royal Artillery
Attestation service number 7702
Discharge Corps Royal Artillery
Series chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 4132
Box Record Number 88
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict

Is this your g grandfather? his father was Bombadier with A Co. 2nd Battn. Madras Artillary.


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

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First name(s) William Thomas
Last name Weller
Baptism year 1857
Birth year 1857
Place Rangoon
Presidency Bengal
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Weller
Baptism date 13 Nov 1857
Birth date 04 Aug 1857
Archive reference N-1-92
Folio 826


and his marriage?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

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First name(s) William Thomas
Last name Weller
Marriage year 1882
Marriage date 3 Jun 1882
Spouse's first name Mary
Spouse's last name Walsh
Place Morar Gwalior
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 24
Bride's age 16
Groom's father's first name John
Groom's father's last name Weller
Bride's father's first name John
Bride's father's last name Walsh
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-180
Folio number 252

Thanks everyone.
The relatives I am trying to trace are called Weller. My Grandmother said the family came from Cork, but she was born in India and I have subsequently found that her father was too - his name William Thomas, born 1857. THINK his father was John and John's father Thomas, but uncertain if I have the right family. William Thomas was still alive in 1910 as I have a photo with that date, but can't find any trace of his death or where he was then. Possibly UK as several of his children seen to be here. They all seem to have married in India but when they came to UK or what happened to them, I don't know. If anyone can add anything to my findings I would be most grateful.

Just to echo what Gins said.

We can always try and see if the image for a record you have found on familysearch is available on FMP, and if any extra info helps us/you with identification etc .

As I said earlier, images are often available for the 1800s and very early 1900s, but as the 1900s progress transcription only becomes the norm, and more likely to be just the civil record/ bmd index rather than transcripts of church registers.

At least you'd know if you were missing anything, or if you had gone as far as you can, at least online.

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