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Sorry to have confused you! - perhaps the address on William Francis Pyer's baptism being the same as Sarah Elizabeth Pyers marriage is just a coincidence- I just thought it may be worth looking into.

Good luck with your search

totally confused....inspite of all the help thanks

Still feel no further progress made in tracking down Sarah Peryer my gg grandmother and William F Pyers my gg grandad.....unless I'm totally missing the point

maybe they got married on a ship??

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Hackney Road (London Street to Jane Street), St Matthew Bethnal Green, Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Robert Pyers Male 35 1806 Box Maker Middlesex, England
Mary Pyers Female 25 1816 Middlesex, England
Eliza Pyers Female 8 1833 Middlesex, England
Mary Pyers Female 5 1836 Middlesex, England
Sarah Pyers Female 3 1838 Middlesex, England
Susan Pyers Female 1 1840 Middlesex, England

the only thing that's bothering me is when Sarah marries to John Thomas Howard in 1860 she's listed as a minor, yet according to the baptism she would have been over 21.

Is it possible she didn't know her age?

Sarah Baptism - Occupation of Robert looks to be Stone Mason and I think address is Wood Builds presumably Woods Buildings.

This looks like Sarah



Name:Sarah Elizabeth Pyas

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:14 Jan 1838 Age: 4 weeks & 3 days (fits with the birth registration)

Father's name:Robert Pyas <<? maker

Mother's name:Mary Pyas

Parish or Poor Law Union:Shoreditch St Leonard

Borough:Hackney

Register Type:Parish Registers


Struggling to read the address and occupation of Robert

I think it's possible that Sarah Ann and Sarah Elizabeth are the same people, and that William Francis Pyers was illegitimate.

The address on William Francis' baptism in March 1859 is given as New Inn Yard and his father is listed as a mariner.

When Sarah Elizabeth marries the following year, her address is New Inn Yard, and her husband is a mariner.

Clara Hagger was my G Grandmother...William's second marriage he was married to her sister first Mary Ann he had at least 12 children between them x

oh my goodness lots of info to decipher here thank you so much.

Think I have been onto the family that Gritty mentions (Eliza Pyers)
but because I couldn't find parents I gave up. Intrigued to see the names Abell and Howard crop up especially Howard as that was my Grandads middle name and he had an older brother with the middle name of Abel.

Malyon's William is def correct...so my GG Grandmother is Sarah Ann....not sure who Sarah Elizabeth is.....Gritty are you saying that Sarah lied about her father...potentially the William Francis Pyers (mariner) that I'm looking for??

More confused than ever now!!! lol... :-S

Gins, address on the baptism of Albert Robert Howard looks like 24 Carter Street (or possibly Castor Street).

Father, John Thomas Howard is a Carpenter.

Also baptised same date:

William Pyers- son of William & Selina Pyers of same address as above

Possible for the couple in the marriage found by Gins


Name:John Howard
Age:28
Estimated birth year:1833
Relation:Visitor
GenderMale
Where born:London, England
Civil Parish:Westminster St James
Ecclesiastical parish:London
Town:London
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district:St James Westminster
Sub-registration district:Golden Square
ED, institution, or vessel:8
Neighbors:
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Household schedule number:454
Piece:65
Folio:81
Page Number:68
Household Members:
Name
Age


Charles G Robson 38
Sarah A Robson 42
John Howard 28
Sarah E Howard 25
Jane R Markham 21

Both visitors. No occupation given

Could someone check this out please



Name:Albert Robert Howard

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:25 Oct 1863

Father's name:John Thomas Howard

Mother's name:Sarah Elizabeth Howard

Parish or Poor Law Union:St Matthias, Bethnal Green

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Register Type:Parish Registers

There are baptisms for 'Pyor' or a variation of the spelling? Same address as the above 'Howard'

is this william's marriage to clara

William Francis Pyers
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name William Francis Pyers
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1887
Registration District Holborn
County London
Event Place Holborn, London, England
Volume 1B
Page 783
Line Number 325

William Francis Pyers probably married one of the following people
Name Clara Hagger
Name Ellen Kate Pankhurst
Name William Joseph Smith

could this be a brother of william



George Francis Payers
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name George Francis Payers
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Shoreditch, London, Middlesex, England
Enumeration District 3
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status Single
Occupation Shopman
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace London
Entry Number 18
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0441/0154
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

George Francis Payers Head M 18 London
Sarah Payers Mother F 54 Cambridge

William Francis Pyers
England Births and Christenings
Name William Francis Pyers
Gender Male
Christening Date 31 Mar 1859
Christening Place SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 04 Mar 1859
Father's Name William Francis Pyers
Mother's Name Sarah Ann

Ooh! and John was a mariner too :)

Gritty, this is the marriage for Sarah. You might be onto something as the address is New Inn Yard



Name:Sarah Elizabeth Pyers <<Minor

Spouse:John Thomas Howard Mariner

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:3 May 1860

Parish:St John, Hoxton

Borough:Hackney

Father Name:Robert Pyers <<Deceased, packing case maker

Spouse Father:John Thomas Howard <<Bricklayer

Register Type:Parish Register

Wit: J Downs & Alice Brown

This appears to be the family in 1851:

Name: Eliza Pyers
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 1539
Folio: 445
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Pyers 18
Mary Pyers 16
Sarah Pyers 14
Susan Pyers 10
Robert Pyers 8
Selina Pyers 6
Abell Pyers 3

Still grasping at straws but wondered if this birth/ family was connected, and that perhaps Sarah lied about the father?

This is the entry in the workhouse births (illegitimate):
Name: Selina Pyers
Record Type: Birth
Estimated Birth Date: 28 Dec 1862
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

There is also an entry in London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records on Ancestry 1855- 1856:

Record Type: Orders of Removal
Event Date: Abt 1855
Poor Law Union or Parish: Bethnal Green

"Sarah Pyers 19, came in ill. Her father died in June, her mother th? same. No relations living. Sister, Mary Pyers 21, servant to Mr Lay Lawlor, 1 Clifton Place Hackney, Eliza, 24, is the eldest, 9 York Place, City Rd, had an Aunt Elizabeth ? (writing is very muddled here!)

Then went to Uncles William West, box maker ? Cage Walk.... (ends with-) has brother Pyers 13, Celina 11 the ages of brothers and sister are in a bible at Mr Milboons."

This is the family living at 9 New Inn Yard in 1861 (same address that is on William' baptism)


William Street Head Married Male 28 1833 Marble Mason Exeter, Devon, England

Harriet Street Wife Married Female 31 1830 Shopkeeper Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

William Street Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Middlesex, England

Edwd ... Street Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Middlesex, England

Hezekiah Street Son - Male 1 1860 - Middlesex, England


Geo Street Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Middlesex, England