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I am really really stuck on my G Grandfathers parents, I know that they were married when my GG was born on 4th March 1859 and their names are William F Pyers and Sarah Peryer but I can't find any further info on them what so ever.....help please anyone??? :-)

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 (Ancestry)

William Francis Pyers
31 Mar 1859 Shoreditch St Leonard Hackney William Francis Pyers,
Sarah Ann Pyers

(according to above Baptism, occ. of Father, Mariner, Abode, 9 New Inn Yard.)


(not there 1861, this man next door. Healey Henry 1817 Shoreditch, London)

Chris :)

Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
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PYERS William Francis Shoreditch 1c 92

(do you have above Birth Cert., for Maiden Name of Mother?)

Only found this on 1881 so far:

Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%)
Forde Lizzie Holborn 1b 766 Scan available - click to view
HAGGER Mary Ann Holborn 1b 766 Scan available - click to view
Pyers William Francis Holborn 1b 766 Scan available - click to view
WALSHE John Edmond Holborn 1b 766 Scan available - click to view



Name: William F. Ryan
[William F Pyers]
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Ann Ryan
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Dunstans
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 35 Fetter Lane
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Hair Dresser
Registration district: London City
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 376
Folio: 46
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William F. Ryan 22
Mary Ann Ryan 22
William H. F. Ryan
Elizabeth R. Hagge 13
Edward Dore 72

Dea x

Believe that this could be the same William that Dea found in 1881 but in 1891 census and with a wife called Clara

William France Pyers 32 B Shoreditch occ Hairdresser
Clara 21
William Henry France 10
John William 8
Clara Lilian 11
Frank Abel 2
Address looks like Fellin Lane, St Dunstan, Middlesex

Marriages Mar 1887

Pryers William Francis
Hagger Clara
Holborn 1b 783

Perhaps Mary Ann and Clara were related...Sisters?

Yes - that IS the same family Londonbelle - they are at the same address - 35 Fetters Lane !!

Well found !!

Dea x

thanks guys.....

Mary Ann and Clara were definitely sisters both married to my G grandfather.
I have his birth certificate and know all the family history up to him.

His mothers maiden name was Peryer.

It shows that my GG Grandparents William and Sarah were living in Whitecrop Place (could be Whitecross) Shoreditch when he was born but I can't find a marriage or birth certs for either of them.
It also says that William was a mariner. I'm guessing that he was born in the 1830s.

I am wondering about this marriage??

Marriages Mar 1859
Coe James William Mile End 1c 845
Giles Eliza Lucy Mile End 1c 845
>>Myers William Mile End 1c 845
>>Prior Sarah Mile End 1c 845

Remember that many people were illiterate at that time and if you say the names out loud they sound very similar to those we are looking for??

Dea x

Name:
William Myers
Spouse:Sarah Prior
Spouse Age:18
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:21 Feb 1859
Parish:St Thomas, Stepney
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Father Name:William Myers
Spouse Father:Harry Prior
Register Type:Parish Register


Sadly not, both signed their names correctly.

Nice try, Dea!


Andy

This is the William that Dea posted


Name:William Myers

Death Date:1898

Death Place:New South Wales

Father's name:William

Mother's name:Priscella

Registration Year:1898

Registration Place:Bathurst, New South Wales

Registration Number:8743

Well, it WAS grasping at straws but I couldn't find anything else to fit ..... ;-) :-D

Dea x

This is the family living at 9 New Inn Yard in 1861 (same address that is on William' baptism)


William Street Head Married Male 28 1833 Marble Mason Exeter, Devon, England

Harriet Street Wife Married Female 31 1830 Shopkeeper Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

William Street Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Middlesex, England

Edwd ... Street Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Middlesex, England

Hezekiah Street Son - Male 1 1860 - Middlesex, England


Geo Street Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar Middlesex, England

Still grasping at straws but wondered if this birth/ family was connected, and that perhaps Sarah lied about the father?

This is the entry in the workhouse births (illegitimate):
Name: Selina Pyers
Record Type: Birth
Estimated Birth Date: 28 Dec 1862
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

There is also an entry in London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records on Ancestry 1855- 1856:

Record Type: Orders of Removal
Event Date: Abt 1855
Poor Law Union or Parish: Bethnal Green

"Sarah Pyers 19, came in ill. Her father died in June, her mother th? same. No relations living. Sister, Mary Pyers 21, servant to Mr Lay Lawlor, 1 Clifton Place Hackney, Eliza, 24, is the eldest, 9 York Place, City Rd, had an Aunt Elizabeth ? (writing is very muddled here!)

Then went to Uncles William West, box maker ? Cage Walk.... (ends with-) has brother Pyers 13, Celina 11 the ages of brothers and sister are in a bible at Mr Milboons."

This appears to be the family in 1851:

Name: Eliza Pyers
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 95
Piece: 1539
Folio: 445
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza Pyers 18
Mary Pyers 16
Sarah Pyers 14
Susan Pyers 10
Robert Pyers 8
Selina Pyers 6
Abell Pyers 3

Gritty, this is the marriage for Sarah. You might be onto something as the address is New Inn Yard



Name:Sarah Elizabeth Pyers <<Minor

Spouse:John Thomas Howard Mariner

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:3 May 1860

Parish:St John, Hoxton

Borough:Hackney

Father Name:Robert Pyers <<Deceased, packing case maker

Spouse Father:John Thomas Howard <<Bricklayer

Register Type:Parish Register

Wit: J Downs & Alice Brown

Ooh! and John was a mariner too :)

William Francis Pyers
England Births and Christenings
Name William Francis Pyers
Gender Male
Christening Date 31 Mar 1859
Christening Place SAINT LEONARDS,SHOREDITCH,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 04 Mar 1859
Father's Name William Francis Pyers
Mother's Name Sarah Ann

could this be a brother of william



George Francis Payers
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name George Francis Payers
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Shoreditch, London, Middlesex, England
Enumeration District 3
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status Single
Occupation Shopman
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1853
Birthplace London
Entry Number 18
Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/0441/0154
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

George Francis Payers Head M 18 London
Sarah Payers Mother F 54 Cambridge

is this william's marriage to clara

William Francis Pyers
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name William Francis Pyers
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1887
Registration District Holborn
County London
Event Place Holborn, London, England
Volume 1B
Page 783
Line Number 325

William Francis Pyers probably married one of the following people
Name Clara Hagger
Name Ellen Kate Pankhurst
Name William Joseph Smith

Could someone check this out please



Name:Albert Robert Howard

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:25 Oct 1863

Father's name:John Thomas Howard

Mother's name:Sarah Elizabeth Howard

Parish or Poor Law Union:St Matthias, Bethnal Green

Borough:Tower Hamlets

Register Type:Parish Registers

There are baptisms for 'Pyor' or a variation of the spelling? Same address as the above 'Howard'

Possible for the couple in the marriage found by Gins


Name:John Howard
Age:28
Estimated birth year:1833
Relation:Visitor
GenderMale
Where born:London, England
Civil Parish:Westminster St James
Ecclesiastical parish:London
Town:London
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district:St James Westminster
Sub-registration district:Golden Square
ED, institution, or vessel:8
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household schedule number:454
Piece:65
Folio:81
Page Number:68
Household Members:
Name
Age


Charles G Robson 38
Sarah A Robson 42
John Howard 28
Sarah E Howard 25
Jane R Markham 21

Both visitors. No occupation given