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Yes Claire it's all in that article attached to the photo. All about the funeral procession and the order as well :-)

I drove past St Paul's yesterday :-)

Jude

Elizabeth's baptism

First name(s) ELIZABETH MARY CORDES
Last name FRANCIS
Birth year 1840
Baptism year 1840
Baptism day 22
Baptism month May
Place NEWPORT, ST PAUL
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) James
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Page 56
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Just realised Goergina was born AFTER James died...so there were only six children

Here's her baptism

First name(s) GEORGIANA POWELL
Last name FRANCIS
Birth year 1843
Baptism year 1843
Baptism day 12
Baptism month Dec
Place NEWPORT, ST PAUL
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) James
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Page 133
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

So when did they move to Derbyshire and where are the other five children in 1851?

Jude

Thanks Jude, link didn't work for me

Claire try this

http://www.newportpast.com/gallery/photos/php/photo_page.php?search=james%20francis&search2=yyyyyy&pos=2

Jude

Thanks Jude, that works

It's an interesting article!

Jude

Name: James Francis
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Male
Where born: Newhall, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen the Martyr
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John



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Name: Wm Francis
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Male
Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Westminster St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: Westminster St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Margaret


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Name: Alfd Olifant Francis
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: London
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: London City

Good find Claire...I think James and Alfred are right - not sure about William - Pembrokeshire not Cardigan....

Jude

I'm not 100% on William but these people must have been very well off so it's possible that he was born in one county and baptised in another. Will we ever know?

I think Cardigan is correct - that's where Mary came from as well (and probably where James came from).

Jude

This has been niggling me.

5 children on the 1841, 6 children mentioned when James died. I think this may be child 6 with Geogiana being child 7

Name: Mary E Francis
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: 1841
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Alkmund
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Alkmund
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 2495
Folio: 1
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Johnson 42
Jawbina Johnson 13
Catherina Johnson 2
Mary E Francis 48
Mary E Francis 20
Ruth Dale 21
Robina Legg 12

Child six is Albert Edward born in 1842 and with Mary and Georgiana in 1851 in Derby

1 = William
2 = James
3 = John
4 = Alfred Ollivant
5 = Elizabeth Mary Cordes
6 = Albert Edward
7 = Georgiana (born after her father died)


Jude

(appears to be a Daughter, Jane Francis, Baptism 1835 Newport, FMP, and FreeREG)


(from Will posted earlier, (Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 Ancestry) names a Brother John Francis, Scolton, Spittal, Pembroke, he is a Farmer, 1841, Marriage 1836, Mary Ann Dempster)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/wills-1384-1858/

Chris :)

(used to be able to search FreeREG, by adding name of Parent, and up came children, seems no longer works, due to 'New' look site, sad!)

edits
(apologies, just seen Jude there, with list!)

That is of course my take on things!

Jude

Then again, perhaps Elizabeth & Mary E are the same person

Yes possibly - she was Elizabeth Mary Cordes Francis. It wouldn't be the first time someone transposed their names

Jude

The boys might well have had fees reduced at their schools because they were the sons of a clergyman, or they might have received special scholarships or bursaries as their father was a deceased clergyman


Claire ............... could you see which schools they were at?

The censuses are not clear about which school - or at least the page...maybe need to go back to beginning

Jude

James was at the Clergy Orphan School for Boys

Wm (who may be a red herring) Dean's Yard number 2 Boarding house for West School

From doing a bit of google, I think this is Westminster School

Alfred was at Christ's Hospital School, Newgate

So James and Alfred fit with the occupations they went into????

Jude