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That is of course my take on things!

Jude

(appears to be a Daughter, Jane Francis, Baptism 1835 Newport, FMP, and FreeREG)


(from Will posted earlier, (Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 Ancestry) names a Brother John Francis, Scolton, Spittal, Pembroke, he is a Farmer, 1841, Marriage 1836, Mary Ann Dempster)


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/wills-1384-1858/

Chris :)

(used to be able to search FreeREG, by adding name of Parent, and up came children, seems no longer works, due to 'New' look site, sad!)

edits
(apologies, just seen Jude there, with list!)

Child six is Albert Edward born in 1842 and with Mary and Georgiana in 1851 in Derby

1 = William
2 = James
3 = John
4 = Alfred Ollivant
5 = Elizabeth Mary Cordes
6 = Albert Edward
7 = Georgiana (born after her father died)


Jude

This has been niggling me.

5 children on the 1841, 6 children mentioned when James died. I think this may be child 6 with Geogiana being child 7

Name: Mary E Francis
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: 1841
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Alkmund
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Alkmund
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 2495
Folio: 1
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Johnson 42
Jawbina Johnson 13
Catherina Johnson 2
Mary E Francis 48
Mary E Francis 20
Ruth Dale 21
Robina Legg 12

I think Cardigan is correct - that's where Mary came from as well (and probably where James came from).

Jude

I'm not 100% on William but these people must have been very well off so it's possible that he was born in one county and baptised in another. Will we ever know?

Good find Claire...I think James and Alfred are right - not sure about William - Pembrokeshire not Cardigan....

Jude

Name: James Francis
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Male
Where born: Newhall, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen the Martyr
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John



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Name: Wm Francis
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Pupil
Gender: Male
Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Westminster St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: Westminster St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Margaret


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Name: Alfd Olifant Francis
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Scholar
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: London
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: London City

It's an interesting article!

Jude

Thanks Jude, that works

Claire try this

http://www.newportpast.com/gallery/photos/php/photo_page.php?search=james%20francis&search2=yyyyyy&pos=2

Jude

Thanks Jude, link didn't work for me

Elizabeth's baptism

First name(s) ELIZABETH MARY CORDES
Last name FRANCIS
Birth year 1840
Baptism year 1840
Baptism day 22
Baptism month May
Place NEWPORT, ST PAUL
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) James
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Page 56
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Just realised Goergina was born AFTER James died...so there were only six children

Here's her baptism

First name(s) GEORGIANA POWELL
Last name FRANCIS
Birth year 1843
Baptism year 1843
Baptism day 12
Baptism month Dec
Place NEWPORT, ST PAUL
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) James
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Page 133
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

So when did they move to Derbyshire and where are the other five children in 1851?

Jude

Yes Claire it's all in that article attached to the photo. All about the funeral procession and the order as well :-)

I drove past St Paul's yesterday :-)

Jude

James Francis was buried 30 May 1843 and he's under the Porch of St Paul's Church, Newport

John's baptism

First name(s) JOHN
Last name FRANCIS
Birth year 1837
Baptism year 1837
Baptism day 24
Baptism month Feb
Place NEWPORT, ST WOOLOS
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Father's first name(s) James
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Record set Monmouthshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain

Jude

Name:Albert Edward Francis (reverend)

Probate Date:16 Sep 1898

Registry:Manchester, England

Death Date:23 Jul 1898

Death Place:Lancashire, England

Probate to: Emily Beatrice (widow) & Francis Ermen (gentleman) & Henry Taylor (solicitor) £8037 3s 6d

This could be him in 1861...getting closer

Name: Alfred A Francis
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: 1836
Relation: Apprentice
Gender: Male
Where born: S Wales, Newport
Civil Parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Brierly Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 2073
Folio: 54
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Walker 43
Penelope Walker 46
Alfred A Francis 25
Ann Smithyman 32
Mary Cumm 18
Walter B Stone 9
Jude

OK Alfred...he was Alfred Ollivant
1871
Name: Alfred O Francis
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Francis
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Peter
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Derby
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 3567
Folio: 82
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred O Francis 32
Emily Francis 30
Helen M Francis 2
Mabel Francis 1 Month
Emma Drucot 21
Esther Pedley 23
Annie Slack 20
Herbert L Maning 23
Emily M Francis 3

1881

Name: Alfred O. Francis
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emily Francis
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Derby St Werburgh
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 16 Wardwick
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: General Practitioner L.R.C.P. Edin M.R.C.S. Eng
Registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3399
Folio: 105
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred O. Francis 42
Emily Francis 41
Emily M. Francis 13
Ellen M. Francis 12
Mable G. Francis 10
Alfred O. Francis 8
Percy O. Francis 6
Herbert A. Smith 30
Bernard C. Smith 25
Caroline L. Griffith 31
Emily C. Juesbury 26
Mary Y. Simnett 20
Emma Bishop 20
1891

Name: Alfred O Francis
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily Francis
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Werburgh
Ecclesiastical parish: St Werburgh
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2731
Folio: 139
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred O Francis 52
Emily Francis 51
Shafto Edleton 20
George Kennedy 15
Annie Stevens 30
Sophia Orme 19
Edith Taylor 15

But I can't find him before this!!!!

He married in Islington in 1866

Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%)
Francis Alfred O Islington 1b 470
HALLIWELL Emily Islington 1b 470

He was a GP

Jude

Chris, Maddie didn't quite post the link...you have to search for him when you get there. It's a great site!

James was in Devon in 1871 (chaplain)

Have possibilities for him in 1851 in Whitsun (where his father caught the cold that killed him) as a servant and possibly in Leicestershire as a visitor in 1861.

In 1881 census he was in Lancashire where he married his sister (not literally!!!!).

Jude