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Hi lancashireAnn, thank you for your concern about Charles c.1801 and I have seen one reference to 1799, but there are no entries in IGI giving parents so no going further back on this name. The 1861, after his second marriage to Elizabeth Mayes, does confirm 1801 and he seems to have only one child, George c.1831, by his first marriage, who carries the line forward and is the father of Charles on the 1882 Marriage Certificate as well as living locally at that time (1881 Census).
These families seem to have allegiance to Methodist/Chapel and perhaps their records are not so well covered.

I think we have to be careful with Charles b 1801 as there does seem to be more than one.

Instead of getting another marriage certificate it is probably worth getting Charles birth certificate to find out exactly who his parents were.

What slightly puzzles me is that George in 1851 is a policeman on the one posted for Charles and yet on daughter baptism in 1853 is a labourer. Why would someone leave the police to become a labourer? Not impossible i know.

Sorry Austin, seems like you are before me yet again. At least we can admit 'great minds think alike' lol

Looking through the 1851 census from another source, the birth date for Elizabeth Dudley is given as 1800 so perhaps the age of 57 should read 51?

Possibly this Elizabeth?

Baptism
Name Elizabeth Dudley
Gender Female
Christening Date 23 Nov 1800
Christening Place TITCHMARSH,NORTHAMPTON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 26 Oct 1800
Father's Name James Dudley
Mother's Name Ann


Saint Peters Church Aldwincle:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4169306

Thank you AustinQ, what a pretty name for a place of Baptism, I wonder if I can find it on any of my maps!

Baptism
Name Philip Newill
Gender Male
Birth Date 12 Mar 1829
Birthplace PARTICULAR BAPTIST,ALDWINKLE SAINT PETER,NORTHAMPTON,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Newill
Mother's Name Elizabeth Dudley

Name Sarah Newill
Gender Female
Birth Date 13 Jun 1833
Birthplace PARTICULAR BAPTIST,ALDWINKLE SAINT PETER,NORTHAMPTON,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Newill
Mother's Name Elizabeth Dudley

Actually, by calculation 1784 is far too early so there must be another Elizabeth in there somewhere?

Thank you AustinQ, no I have been naughty and moved it to a new thread as I thought it had got 'lost' but your response is exactly what I was hoping for and gives me a new area for research.
Your comment on Elizabeth is most interesting as I found

Name Wm. Newell
Spouse's Name Eliz. Dudley

Event Date 31 Dec 1818
Event Place Titchmarsh, Northampton

in IGI and she is probably

Name Elizabeth Dudley
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Jun 1784
Christening Place TITCHMARSH,NORTHAMPTON,ENGLAND
Birth Date 26 May 1784
Father's Name Joseph Dudley

Mother's Name Mary

Oh, you deleted your query? Did you find the information?

Here they are in 1851:

Name: William Newill
Age: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Newill
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelveston, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Titchmarsh
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Sub-registration district: Thrapston
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 1745 Folio: 90 Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
William Newill 59
Elizabeth Newill 57

I think the Elizabeth (age 4 on the 1841 census) is actually his wife and think the original image for the 1841 is faded. I think her age should be 40 or 41.

This appears to be them in 1861 at Andrew's Lane- same address as in 1841:

Name: William Newill
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: 1791
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Newill
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelveston Caldicott, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Titchmarsh
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Registration district: Thrapston
Sub-registration district: Thrapston
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 213
Piece: 959
Folio: 170
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
William Newill 70 Highway Lab Chelveston Caldicott
Elizabeth Newill 61 Titchmarsh
Philip Newill 31 Ag Lab Titchmarsh

Thank you AustinQ, I will try my luck at asking for another marriage certificate!

1841- relationships not recorded but looks like sister Catherine again:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Allens Farm, Borough Fen, Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England

Charles Adams Male 42 1799 Northamptonshire, England
Elizabeth Adams Female 45 1796 Northamptonshire, England
George Adams Male 10 1831 Northamptonshire, England
Catharine Adams Female 44 1797 Northamptonshire, England
Joseph Webb Male 18 1823

1851- note sister Catherine residing with them.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lilford cum Wigsthorpe, Oundle, Northamptonshire, England

Charles Adams Head Married Male 50 1801 Agricultural Labourer Northamptonshire, England
Elizabeth Adams Wife Married Female 54 1797 - Northamptonshire, England
Catharine Adams Sister Unmarried Female 52 1799 - Northamptonshire, England
George Adams Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Policeman Lilford cum Wigsthorpe Northamptonshire,
Thomas Falkner Lodger Unmarried Male 15 1836 Agricultural Labourer Titchmarsh, Northamptonshire

Second marriage for Charles born c1801- marriage cert will give you father's name.

Marriages Mar 1859
Adams Charles Oundle 3b 306
Mayes Elizabeth Oundle 3b 306
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1861- in-law used in place of Step children:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Street, Titchmarsh, Thrapston, Northamptonshire, England

Charles Adams Head Married Male 60 1801 Wood Labourer Wigsthorpe, Northamptonshire,
Elizabeth Adams Wife Married Female 49 1812 - Clapton, Northamptonshire,
Catherine Adams Sister Unmarried Female 62 1799 - Wigsthorpe, Northamptonshire,
James Mayes Son In Law Unmarried Male 18 1843 Agricultural Labourer Northamptonshire,
Walter Mayes Son In Law Unmarried Male 16 1845 Agricultural Labourer Northamptonshire,
Emily Mayes Daughter In Law Unmarried Female 11 1850 - Northamptonshire,
Daniel Mayes Grand Son In Law Unmarried Male 2 1859 - Oundle, Northamptonshire,

Thank you lancashireAnn and AustinQ, all is now explained and my reason for doubts is solved as it is Mary Hannah that gave me my problem, upside down. Her age on the marriage is incorrect and should have been 29 so she and Charles were not the same age at 25. Working it through all the info on Charles fits and now we know why he was missing from the family in 1891. Thank you for all your efforts. I still have one block on my progress back as Charles' grandfather Charles does not have a full record of birth in IGI for 1801 so no parents showing up.

We do have the correct family-

West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, 1801-1914

Name: Charles Adams
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birth Place: Tickmarsh
Age: 34
Event Date: 26 Feb 1891
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude
Place of committal - Bradford
Offence- Neglect of family
Age 34, height 5' 6 3/4", Brown hair
Trade: Shoemaker (mole on left eyebrow)
Date of Discharge: 25th March

Charles in 1871 in Ringstead Northants?

Name Age
William Warren 34 shoemaker
Elizabeth Warren 38
Charles Adams 14 apprentice born Wigsthorpe Northants

Wigsthorpe is approx 4 miles from Ringstead

Thank you Chris. This family now seems somewhat confused against info given on marriage certificate so I am going to leave it until tomorrow and see if a new day will enable me to sort it.

Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Lilford
Church name St Peter
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 173
Baptism date 07 Feb 1853
Person forename Elizabeth
Person sex F
Person abode Wigsthorpe
Father forename George
Father surname ADAMS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Sarah

Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Lilford
Church name St Peter
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 194
Baptism date 27 Mar 1859
Person forename Charles
Person sex M
Person abode Wigsthorpe
Father forename George
Father surname ADAMS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Sarah

Baptism
County Northamptonshire
Place Lilford
Church name St Peter
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 195
Baptism date 27 Mar 1859
Person forename Rebecca
Person sex F
Person abode Wigsthorpe
Father forename George
Father surname ADAMS
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Sarah

(anything more on below perhaps, if above relates)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Births Sep 1852 (>99%)
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Adams Elizabeth Oundle 3b 166

(Lilford cum Wigsthorpe covered in above)