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Further investigation gives

Marriages Jun 1852
Adams George Oundle
3b 345

Newell Sarah Oundle
3b 345

right next door to Wigsthorpe!

Thank you AustinQ. In view of all the above I think the possible marriage for George and Sarah is :-

Marriages Dec 1851
ADAMS George Downham
13 211

JEFFERSON Sarah Downham
13 211


but this is some distance from Wigsthorpe ??

LancashireAnn- I think you've got it!

FMP has poor transcription 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
42, Fen Gate, Moulton, Spalding, Lincolnshire, England

George Addmas Head Married Male 38 1823 Agricultural Labourer Wigsthorpe, Northamptonshire,
Sarah Addmas Wife Married Female 29 1832 Agricultural Labourers Wife Northamptonshire,
Elizabeth Addmas Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Wigsthorpe, Northamptonshire,
Lucy Addmas Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar Clapton, Northamptonshire, England
Charles Addmas Son - Male 4 1857 - Northamptonshire, (Titchmarsh)
Rebecca Addmas Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Wigsthorpe, Northamptonshire,

- Image does state Addams.
- I agree with LancashireAnn- Charles birth place states Titchmarsh

Thank you LancashireAnn, this family is now going along by leaps and bounds, especially as I can look forward to tracking Charles c.1801, when I have a minute to spare .....

I think this is Charles in 1861 - living in Moulton Lincolshire
Name Age
George Addams 30 labourer
Sarah Addams 29
Elizabeth Addams 8
Lucy Addams 6
Charles Addams 4
Rebecca Addams 2

all children born in Northamptonshire though I can't read exactly where charles was born - possibly Titchmarsh which is a village in Nothants

same family in 1871 now living in Long Sutton Lincs


Name Age
George Adams 40 - now a railway worker
Sarah Adams 39
Elizabeth Adams 18
Rebecca Adams 12
Philip Adams 10
Sarah A Adams 6
William G Adams 3
Ensely Adams 5 Months
George Wright 18

Thanks AustinQ, this appears to be the correct family. On the marriage certificate the residence for Charles is given as 36 Church Street, Windhill and Mary Hannah is also at Church Street, Windhill. Windhill is part of Shipley, next to Idle!

this is a tough one! Was there an address listed for Charles on the marriage certificate?

Putting this up just in case as this family later reside in Windhill too- although Can't see a related Charles yet, but still looking:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Ellen Street, Idle, Bradford, Yorkshire, England

George Adams Head Married Male 50 1831 Railway Signalman Wigsthorpe, Northamptonshire
Sarah Adams Wife Married Female 49 1832 - Northamptonshire, England
Philip Adams Son Single Male 19 1862 Labour Gen Moulton Chapel, Lincolnshire, England
Sarah A Adams Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Domestic Whaplode, Lincolnshire, England
William Geo Adams Son Single Male 12 1869 Spinner Sutton Bridge, Lincolnshire, England
Emma Adams Daughter Single Female 10 1871 - Sutton Bridge, Lincolnshire, England
Mary Adams Daughter Single Female 8 1873 - Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Wilby Adams Son Single Male 7 1874 - Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Catherine Adams Daughter Single Female 6 1875 - Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
John E Adams Son Single Male 5 1876 - Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England
Charles Adams Father Married Male 80 1801 Ag Labr Wigsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England

Thank you MargaretM, this is Charles family in 1891, without him, but now I know who he was I am trying to track him before he got married, hopefully to find his siblings?

Mary and children in 1891?

Mary Adams

in the 1891 England Census
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Name: Mary Adams
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Idle
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Windhill
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bradford
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3653
Folio: 172
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Adams 38
Gerty Adams 9
Lilly Adams 3
Grace Adams 1

In view of Charles age there is this birth in FreeBMD :-

Births Sep 1854
Adams Charles E Retford
7b 12

Were they childhood sweethearts ???

Breaking news!!!

At long last I have obtained the marriage certificate which states that both Charles and Mary Hannah were 25 at the time plus Charles father was called George Adams and was a Railway Signalman.
The witnesses are George and Sarah A Adams.
Charles profession is given as Shoe maker

The marriage took place in the Bethesda Chapel, Peckover Street, Bradford.

Thank you Chris, yes they are the girls. Their mother died in 1904

Deaths Jun 1904
Adams Mary Hannah 47 N. Bierley
9b 142

(are they the Daughters below?)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
Gertrude Mary Adams Head Single Female Worsted Weaver 27 1884 Skipton Yorkshire
Grace Beatrice Adams Sister Single Female Worsted Weaver 21 1890 Bradford Yorkshire
Lily May Adams Sister Single Female Worsted Weaver 23 1888 Shipley Yorkshire
Address 9 Friendley St Windhill Shipley
Parish Shipley
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Census reference RG14 PN26625 RG78 PN1535 RD497 SD6 ED2 SN81

Thank you MarieCeleste, thinking about it some more, Charles might have been only 20 when he married Mary Hannah so it is quite hopeless to know who Charles was. I hope I don't have to wait until my new grandson has been born before I get a response from the family !

Grace Beatrice got married in 1915 but perhaps the family were averse to census in 1911

Without any idea of when/where he was born, or his occupation, then that's going to be tricky. FindMyPast fetches up 1,674 for that name on the 1901 census. Obviously, a proportion can be eliminated by way of age.

It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

You say in your opening post you have a possible Charles H Adams in 1881 but the marriage you suggest has no middle name.

Do you have any other info about him?

I haven't yet found Mary or the girls in 1911.

In the 1901 census above Mary Adams gives herself as married, so Charles is still alive. Can anybody see him around in the 1901 as I would like to find out where he was born and then another census to show him with his family please?

Many thanks,
Frances

Thinking about this some more it might be better to aim at 1891, when Charles, Grace's father might be closer to the family ??

Thank you Marie Celeste, I am sure you are right that the Midlands Adams family are just coincidence as, working back from the known marriage that Chris quotes all the Bradford/Shipley stuff fits and is known by 'the Pettinger family' for whom I am doing the sleuthing. It really had me going for a while .....!

I have asked 'the family' for some more detail on Charles and await their reply.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1356432?d=desc

(above looks to relate)

Chris :)

Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Adams Grace B Pettinger N.Bierley 9b 165
Pettinger Cyril R Adams N.Bierley 9b 165

(do you know occupation of Charles from above?)

This is that family in 1901 (address matches baptism):

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
House Court, 1, Milton Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Charles Adams Head Married Male 29 1872 Brass Caster Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Mary H Adams Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Blackheath, Worcestershire, England
Hannah Adams Daughter Single Female 2 1899 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Infant Adams Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Thomas Parke Visitor Married Male 50 1851 Bricklayer Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Francis Parke Visitor Married Female 49 1852 - Worcestershire, England
Francis Parke Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Worcestershire, England

I think they were a coincidence, they belong to this family:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 Bk 69 Guildford St Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place

Chales Henry Adams Head Married Male Brass Caster 40 1871 Warwickshire Bham
Mary Hannah Adams Wife Married Female None 42 1869 Warwickshire Bham
Harriett Elisbert Adams Daughter - Female School 12 1899 Warwickshire Bham
Dora May Adams - - Female School 10 1901 Warwickshire Bham Transcription
Charles Tomas Francis Adams Son - Male School 9 1902 Warwickshire Bham Transcription
Henry Percy Adams Son - Male School 7 1904 Warwickshire Bham
Ethel Adams Daughter - Female School 5 1906 Warwickshire Bham
Nora Everline Adams Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Warwickshire Bham

1 child had died (there is an infant death to match the 1900 baptism for Emily Beatrice). This couple married 13 years.