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Just to let you know that I have just received his marriage cert and he did marry Kate Amelia Watson. Fathers name was James Watson.

Thank you all for your help. I am now definitely on the right track.

Strangely it says she was a widow. Not sure that that is true.

Jane

Hi rootgatherer

Ah!! I didn't look at the year she died. Mary Elizabeth died in 1921 so that would mean She can't be Dennis's mum, not the one born in 1930 anyway. Drat

I am thinking though that he is the missing person on the 1939 register.

I can't think of anyone else it could be.

Jane

I think Dennis Proctor is with his parents Ida and George in 1939. His record is closed (so maybe still living). His brother Eddie's record is open.

Maybe parents of that chappie?

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)

Gray Ida M Procter Lincoln 7a 1298
Proctor George Gray

I've tried looking at Denis too but perhaps like "Harry" he used his middle name.

When did Hilda's mother die? I'm think that if Aunt Kate gave Dennis a hard time he must have been living with his Dad while Kate was his housekeeper. I wonder if he is the closed record in 1939 with John and Kate.

I think things are beginning to fall into place, My relative said "Whether Sarah Niles was before or after Mary Proctor we don't know but then he married Lizzie ??? who was the mother of Dennis Gray, Hilda Gray (Eggitt) and Mary Gray (Cowling) Lizzie died as a result of child birth and the 3 weeks old Mary Elizabeth....

I cant find a marriage to a Lizzy but I think Mary E Proctor is Lizzy. I think Mary e Proctor died as a result of Child birth. interestingly I found this:

Births Jun 1930 (>99%)

Clayton Irene M White Lincoln 7a 780
Holden Ronald Hlden Lincoln 7a 780
Proctor Dennis Gray Lincoln 7a 780
Saunders Brian Saunders Lincoln 7a 780
Watt Maureen A Debus Lincoln 7a 780

So was Dennis actually a Proctor. If so was Mary Proctors maiden name Gray. This relative of mine also said

"Just to complicate things, mum seems to recall that at some time or other one of the Grays married into a completely different family also called Gray"

It seems to fit. Or is it just wishful thinking on my part.

Jane

Thank you rootgatherer and PricklyHolly

You both have been trying really hard to help me. thank you so much.

The name Peter and Michael have appeared in newspaper cutting I have but they didn't give any surnames so I had no idea who they were. It appears from the information you have found that they are Watson's. So that clears that up.

Dennis is still proving a problem. One day I will get to the bottom of it.

Thanks again

Jane

Nope - not that one as his dad is George

1911

Dennis George Gray
Age in 1911: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: York, England
Civil Parish: York
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County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street address: 78 Albermarle Rd
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration district: York
Registration District Number: 517
Sub-registration district: York West
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 28428
Household Members:
Name Age
George Dercy Gray 37
Hannah Elizabeth Gray 38
Nora Gray 8
Dennis George Gray 6

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Jane Gray on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Gray Household (2 People)
32 Carlyle Walk , Lincoln C.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)

Dennis G Gray
DOB 22 Nov 1904
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Railway Clerk
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 49
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Jane Gray
DOB 20 Dec 1906
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 49
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Just looking at this one

Dennis George Gray
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: York
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 54

12 Plumtree Way , Scunthorpe M.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)
Richard Henry Watson
DOB 01 Aug 1911
SEX Male
OCCUPATION
Platelayers Labourer (Steelwork Heavy Worker
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 240
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Mary Elizabeth Watson
DOB 31 May 1912
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS
-SCHEDULE 240
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Peter John Watson
DOB 07 Sep 1933
SEX Male
OCCUPATION At School
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 240
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Michael Henry Watson
DOB 26 Mar 1935
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Under School Age
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE240
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 4


Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

It seems the Dennis Gray born 1906 Doncaster died a few months after he was born.

Dennis Gray in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Dennis Gray
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Doncaster
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 479

Births Sep 1933 (>99%)
Watson Peter J Newbury Glanford B. 7a 995

Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Watson Michael H Newbury Glanford B. 7a 968

My pleasure.

Prickles.

:-)

Thanks PricklyHolly

It looks as if I am on the right track now. As you say from the obituary Kate had a brother A e Watson and there he is on the 1901 census with her.

Thank you so much for all your help

Jane

You mention that from John Grays obituary, It also mentions a brother and sister in law by the name of Mr and Mrs A. E Watson.

If you check back on the 1901 census........Kate has a brother Alfred E Watson.

Thanks PricklyHolly

That marriage is looking good.

What would I do If I didn't have all your help. I would be in a right mess.

Jane

Going back to.........Richard H Watson born 1911

As Kate married in Glanford Brigg in 1924.....

??


Marriages Mar 1933 (>99%)
Newbury Mary E Watson Glanford.B. 7a 1083
WATSON Richard H Newbury Glanford B. 7a 1083

PricklyHolly That could be her. I guess she was in there because of her having a child outside of marriage???

Jane

I was following the daughter Kate Amelia Watson born 1899.....not the mother Kate E Watson born 1861.


Kate E Watson in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Kate E Watson
Birth Date: abt 1861
Date of Registration: Dec 1928
Age at Death: 67
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume 9d
Page: 284