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Yeah, Amie wrote:

" Not sure the distance between the wolverhampton street address and the Francis street address (address of the "adoptees") so possibly she was being looked after by them however it does say in the newspaper article it the williams were the adoptive family"

I ddn't know where the address came from- was this the address on Lottie's birth certificate?

Francis Street, Austin ????? :-S

Dea x

I think I might be being a little slow again- but where was the Francis Street mentioned?

Birmingham Daily Post - Friday 14 March 1884

Inquests in Birmingham:
Another enquiry was held concerning the death of James Bloomer (25), tailor, 14 court, 7 house, Francis Street....


Perhaps Lottie's sister was illegitimate? But the mother put James' name down to save embarrassment?

Florence appears as "Florie" on the 1891 census. She is with her mother.

Do you not have little Florrie on 1891 ?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
45, Wolverhampton Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charlotte Bloomer Head Widow Female 30 1861 - Walsall
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George Haywood Father Widower Male 54 1837 Painter Walsall
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David Smith Lodger Married Male 48 1843 Stirrup Filer Walsall
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Florie Bloomer Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Walsall

Dea x

Thanks everyone for the input

what I know is that Lottie Bloomer (1884) married William Wright
14 January 1905 - Walsall

And her sister Florence May Bloomer Married Walter Knight
December 1903
(So Maylon that was the right wedding info you found)

Funnily enough in the 1901 census they are listed living with their mother Lottie Bloomer at 45 Wolverhampton Street
Daughter Lottie was living with her husband William at 44 Wolverhampton Street
And Florence May Bloomer was living with her husband at 46 Wolverhampton Street.
So they all lived next door together.

Not sure the distance between the wolverhampton street address and the Francis street address (address of the "adoptees") so possibly she was being looked after by them however it does say in the newspaper article it the williams were the adoptive family

I can't find any information either about a marriage to james bloomer (Lotties father) although this is the name listed on the marriage documents for Lottie and Florence - He was deceased by the time they were both married and listed as a tailor
I found the marriage info of James and Charlotte (lottie) in Aston - which technically is in Birmingham and I found an article in the papers about James dying in birmingham the year which Charlotte would of been pregnant with florence. Which is where he worked so would make sense that they married there and then Charlotte lived where she was born in Walsall.

Thanks Austin for the info about the williams will have a further look in to these, to see if there is any relative connection etc.

Just unclear as to if she was given up for adoption or to be looked after is it usual that they would of been living back with the biological mother? I can't find any other census info about wether Lottie or Florence before the 1901 census so its bit confusing as to where they both before then?

Lottie Bloomer in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lottie Bloomer
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 368

i cant find a birth for lottie bloomer born 1884 or a charlotte

Yeah, thanks Dea- have only just found the address for 1891 (I'm a bit slow!)- must be a coincidence!

That might just be a coincidence Austin - the Williams Family were there on 1901 but the offence took place in 1888.

These were the families living there in 1881 and 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Frederick Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Michael Higgins Head Married Male 24 1867 Iron Worker Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Priscilla Higgins Wife Married Female 22 1869 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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John Higgins Son Single Male 0 1891 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Alfred Higgins Brother Single Male 16 1875 Iron Worker Walsall, Staffordshire, England




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Frederick Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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James Davis Head Married Male 50 1831 Iron Caster Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Maria Davis Wife Married Female 50 1831 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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James Davis Son Married Male 30 1851 Iron Caster Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Emma Davis Daughter In Law Married Female 28 1853 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Harriet Davis Daughter Single Female 16 1865 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Harry Davis Son Single Male 13 1868 Barber Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Eliza Davis Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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James Davis Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Benjamin Davis Son Single Male 2 1879 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
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Maria Davis Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England


The William's family above did not appear to be there at that time.

Dea x

this could be lottie's mothers birth

Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
HAYWOOD Charlotte Wakefield 9c 52

EDIT: This family don't appear to be living at this address in 1891, so probably just coincidence.
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So these were the Williams family?

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, Frederick Street, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

William Williams Head Married Male 40 1861 Labourer Coal Blakenhall Heath, Staffordshire,
Ann Williams Wife Married Female 53 1848 Breese Washer Blakenhall Heath, Staffordshire,
Rose Smalley Step Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Brush Filler Blakenhall Heath, Staffordshire,
George Bishop Visitor Single Male 21 1880 Bit Filer Walsall Wood, Staffordshire,

One article re the incident says that the Williams family were living at 27 Frederick Street, Walsall

could this be lottie under the name jones if that family adoped her why was she not named jukes


Lottie Jones
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name Lottie Jones
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Staffordshire
Parish Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical Parish ST MICHAEL AND ALL ANGELS
Registration District Walsall
Residence Note Milton Street
Gender Female
Age 7
Occupation Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household Adopted
Birth Year (Estimated) 1884
Birthplace Staffordshire, England
Page Number 24
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 2256/ 92
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Samuel Jukes Head M 37 Staffordshire, England
Sarah Jukes Wife F 38 Staffordshire, England
Edd Jukes Son M 16 Staffordshire, England
William H Jukes Son M 10 Staffordshire, England
Job Bertie Jukes Son M 7 Staffordshire, England
Lottie Jones Adopted F 7 Staffordshire, England xxxx
Gertrude May Jukes Daughter F 11M Staffordshire, England
Kate Horan Servant F 17 Staffordshire, England

Lottie was a nickname for Charlotte.

Charlotte Haywood in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charlotte Haywood
Spouse Name: James Bloomer
Registration Year: 1878
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Aston
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 329

There was no such thing as 'adoption' before around 1927 when adoption became legal so she would only have been looked after by the William's family.

Dea x

can't see a birth for the mother lottie haywood 1862 or a marriage to bloomer

Can't find lottie 1884 in 1891 census records,she isn't with her mum.can anyone else?

Maryb.

could it be lottie was just with her foster family and not adopted if she was married in the name bloomer she was not adopted



Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Bloomer Florence May Walsall 6b 1275 Scan available - click to view
KEATES Matilda Jane Walsall 6b 1275 Scan available - click to view
Knight Walter Wilfred Walsall 6b 1275 Scan available - click to view
ROBINSON Alfred Walsall 6b 1275

Name Florence Amy Bloomer
Gender Female
Christening Date 14 Oct 1887
Christening Place St Johns, Walsall, Stafford, England
Birth Date 19 Sep 1887
Mother's Name Lottie Bloomer