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24 May 2016 22:20 |
Following the Cornelius line, one of whom has disappeared after 1911.
Sarah Ann Eliza Cornelius b 22 Apr 1878 Faversham Kent,married Richard Oliver Gillham on 28 Jul 1897, St Mary of Charity, Faversham.
Sarah Gilham Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Richard Gilham Birth Place: Faversham, Kent, England Civil Parish: North Preston Without Ecclesiastical parish: Brents St John the Evangalist Town: North Preston Without County/Island: Kent Country: England
Registration district: Faversham Sub-registration district: Faversham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 803 Folio: 34 Page Number: 7 Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Richard Gilham 24 - b1877, Ramsgate Sarah Gilham 23 Nellie Gilham 3 (Nellie Alice Emily bap 26 Nov 1897) Mable Gilham 1 bap 13 Dec 1899
1911 Sarah Gillham Age in 1911: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Faversham, Kent Civil Parish: Faversham Within County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 41 Luton Road, Faversham, Kent Marital Status: Married Registration district: Faversham Registration District Number: 60 Sub-registration district: Faversham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 154 Piece: 4397
Sarah Gillham 32 William Smith 35 (boarder) Alfred Cornelius 41 (brother)
8 children born, 2 died. If she's correct then one is missing
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24 May 2016 22:26 |
Nellie Alice Emily Gillham is in the Faversham UWH in 1911, then disappears.
Mable is boarding with the Howlands, then also disappears Mabel Gilham Age in 1911: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1900 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Faversham, Kent Civil Parish: Faversham Within County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 39 Roman Road, Faversham Occupation: school Registration district: Faversham Registration District Number: 60 Sub-registration district: Faversham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 236 Piece: 4392 Household Members: Name Age Robert George Howland 48 Mary Ann Howland 40 Mabel Gilham 11 ...........
Other suspected children based on surname or baptism Elsie Esther Gillham b & d 1901 Albert Richard Gillham bap 11 Feb 1903 St Mary of Charity, Faversham Boarding in 1911 Albert Richard Gilham Age in 1911: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1903 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Faversham, Kent Civil Parish: Faversham Within County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 4 Top Bridge, Lady Dane, Whitstable Road, Faversham Occupation: school Registration district: Faversham Registration District Number: 60 Sub-registration district: Faversham ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 259 Piece: 4397 Household Members: Name Age James Post 51 Martha Ann Post 48 James William Post 22 Daisy Post 18 George Henry Post 10 Albert Richard Gilham 8
The Posts may have gone to Mass, USA. Did he go too?
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24 May 2016 22:34 |
Ethel Sophia Gillham bap 13 Jul 1904 St Mary of Charity, Faversham. Married Albert H Ford in 1944 & Died Thanet 1974.
1911?? Not confident Ethel Gilham Age in 1911: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1905 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Female Birth Place: Faversham, Kent Civil Parish: Selling
County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Nr Church, Selling, Ashford, Faversham, Kent Registration district: Faversham Registration District Number: 60 Sub-registration district: Boughton ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 32 Piece: 4386 Household Members: Name Age Henry Hall 55 Charlotte Eliza Hall 54 Walter James Hall 29 Lily Hall 28 ........ Ivy Gillham bap 16 May 1906 ~St Mary of Charity, Faversham
Ivy Gillham Age in 1911: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1906 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Faversham, Kent Civil Parish: Faversham Within County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: 5 Beaumont Terrace, Station Road,Faversham, Kent Registration district: Faversham Registration District Number: 60 Sub-registration district: Faversham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 127 Piece: 4398 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas Jerry 35 Charlotte Jerry 33 Winnie May Jerry 12 Ivy Gillham 5
She then disappears. ........... Alfred George Gillham 21 Jun 1908 - 2 Mar 1997 Canterbury. In 1911 he is in the Faversham UWH and goes to Canada in 1925. In 1929 he crosses the Canada-US border and says he's going to visit his step-mother Mrs J W Post in Mass!
Alfred George Gilham Birth Date: 21 Jun 1908 Birth Place: Fauersham Birth Country: England Age: 21 Gender: Male Race/Nationality: English Arrival Date: 23 Dec 1929 Port of Arrival: Buffalo, New York, USA Arrival Contact: Step Mother Mrs J W Post Departure Contact: Employer Lawrence Weoan Record has photo?: No Record Type: Cards
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24 May 2016 22:36 |
Are you still with it????
Basically, what happened to the parents and missing children. I can't find any of them on the 1939 Register.
Did Sarah Ann Eliza Cornelius/Gillham miscount, or is there an undiscovered child??
Thank you for reading :-D :-D
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24 May 2016 22:48 |
maybe -
Marriages Jun 1923 (
Amos William E Gillham Faversham 2a 2130 Gillham Nellie Amos Faversham 2a 2130
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Amos Household (4 People) Rose & Crown , Strood R.D., Kent, England
Nellie A Amos 02 Nov 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 38 2 William E Amos 20 May 1902 Male Farm Shepherd Married 38 1 Daphne J Theobald (Amos) 13 Apr 1924 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 38 3 Edward G McCallum 20 Mar 1916 Male General Labourer Heavy Worker Single 38 4
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007
Name:Nellie Alice Amos
Birth Date:2 Nov 1897
Date of Registration:Sep 1986
Age at Death:88
Registration district:Chatham Inferred County:Kent
Volume:16 Page:525
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24 May 2016 22:52 |
Sorry I'm a bit lost so will just look and see what crops up lol
? There's a photo of him also attached to the record
Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Transcription Learn more
First name(s) Albert Richard Last name Gilham Event year 1918 Birth year 1901 Birth place Faversham Birth county/country Kent Birth date 26 Jul 1901 Discharge number 898048 Identity certificate number RS236178 Card type CR10 Archive The National Archives Series BT350 Date range 1918-1921 Record set Britain, merchant seamen, 1918-1941 Category Education & work Subcategory Merchant navy & maritime Collections from Great Britain
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24 May 2016 22:56 |
Marriages Sep 1925
Gillham Elsie E Smallman Dartford 2a 1718 SMALLMAN Edwin R Gillham Dartford 2a 1718
Deaths Dec 1927
Smallman Elsie E 27 Dartford 2a 766
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24 May 2016 22:58 |
Rose - and you think you were lost?? If I'd added all B, Bap, M or D records, it would have run into 2 pages :-D :-D The Merchant Navy record does look promising.
Thanks for identifying Nellie's death Choccy - no wonder I couldn't find her on the 1939. She married a toy boy and didn't want the age difference to be known. ;-)
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24 May 2016 22:59 |
Have you found Sarah Cornelius / Gillham after 1911? If not, could this be her with Ivy?
Ivy Gilham in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Ivy Gilham Gender: Female Departure Date: 3 Nov 1911 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Sydney, Australia Ship Name: Matatua Shipping line: Shaw Savill & Albion Co, Ltd Official Number: 114599 Master: L B Gillman
She's a child, travelling with Mrs Gilham, housewife.
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24 May 2016 23:02 |
Could she have remarried:-
First name(s) SARAH A E Last name GILLHAM Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1915
Registration month - MarriageFinder™ SARAH A E GILLHAM married
JAMES STUPPLE Spouse's last name STRIPPLE
District FAVERSHAM District number - County Kent Country England Volume 2A Page 2960 Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Marriages & divorces Collections from Great Britain
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Stupple Household (2 People) 1 Hughes Place , Faversham M.B., Kent, England Start free family tree View original imagePrint FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Sarah A E Stupple (22 Apr 1878) Female Housewife Widowed 38 1
Paul V Pittock 24 Apr 1881 Male Public Works Labourer Single 38 2
Date of birth fits, so looks to be her.
EDIT:- Death of second husband?
Deaths Jun 1923 (>99%) STUPPLE James 46 Faversham 2a 1009
This looks to be relevant to second husband:-
First name(s) James Last name Stupple Birth year 1878 Admission year 1918 Age 41 Occupation/grade Labourer Trade Railway workers Union name National Union of Railwaymen Union branch Faversham Union branch as transcribed Faversham County Kent Country England Archive Modern Records Centre Archive reference MSS.127/NU/OR/2/62 Folio or page 246 Title General Register Dates Jan-Feb 1919 Information contained Members 913001-928000 No of volumes 1 Record set Britain, Trade Union membership registers Category Education & work Subcategory Guild & Trade Associations Collections from Great Britain
1911 5 Thomas Square Faversham, Faversham Within, Kent, England First name(s) James Last name Stupple Relationship Head Marital status Single Sex Male Occupation Worker Age 34 Birth year 1877 Birth place Herne Bay Kent Address 5 Thomas Square Faversham Parish Faversham Within County Kent Country England Archive reference RG14 Registration district Faversham Registration district number 60 Enumeration district 6 District number - Sub district Faversham Sub district number 2 Census reference RG14PN4395 RG78PN179 RD60 SD2 ED6 SN240 Piece number 4395 Folio - Page - Other household member first name(s) JAMES Other household member last name BACK, STUPPLE Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain
Also in household:- - Back Housekeeper Married Female Fieldsworker 38 1873 Dartford Kent
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24 May 2016 23:04 |
British Merchant Navy, First World War Medal Cards 1914-1925 Transcription Print transcription First name(s) Albert Last name Gilham Birth year 1901 Birth place as transcribed Favesham Birth place Favesham Birth county - Birth country - Link to site http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8018417 Source Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Index of First World War Mercantile Marine Medals and the British War Medal Archive reference BT 351/1/50950 Record set British Merchant Navy, First World War Medal Cards 1914-1925 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory First World War Collections from Great Britain
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24 May 2016 23:13 |
Wonder if this is Richard?
First name(s) Richard Last name Gillham Year 1913 Entry date 10 Jul 1913 Status/occupation Patient Summary Classified as Private Patient at 15/2d a week Place Bexley Institution Asylum County Kent Country England Book Resolutions Book 6 Page 38 Line number 683 Source To arrange to view full Notice or Minute in the Book, contact the NW Kent Family History Society library. Record set Kent, Bexley Asylum minute books, 1901-1939 Category Institutions & organisations Subcategory Hospitals Collections from Great Britain
..........but can't find a death.
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24 May 2016 23:18 |
Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%) Gillham Albert R O Revell Faversham 2a 257_
Gillham Household (2 People) 21 Nelson Road , Whitstable U.D., Kent, England ON Albert R O Gillham 07 Dec 1901 Glass Filler Minnie E Gillham 05 Jun 1909 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Deaths Mar 1962 (>99%) GILLHAM Albert R O 61 Bridge 5b 80
Edit no can't be that one as the date of birth doesn't match the navy record
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24 May 2016 23:27 |
Although I’d seen the asylum record for Richard Gillham, I’d dismissed it as being out of area. However, if his daughter Elsie E did marry in Dartford, it does provide a more plausible link.
Sarah A E’s remarriage in 1915 looks good! She doesn’t have much luck with husbands does she? Assuming its correct, it more or less rules out the Australian venture.
Rose – I’d kept wondering if Albert Richard had assumed on O(liver). At least we can discard that one now.
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24 May 2016 23:30 |
EDIT: No, ignore this. Mabel was born end of 1899: Births Dec 1899 (>99%) Gillham Mabel Faversham 2a 895
[Deleted wrong info based on a Mabel born 1906.]
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24 May 2016 23:31 |
I do believe the marriage is correct as 1939 register gives correct date of birth.
This looks to be her death:-
First name(s) SARAH A E Last name STUPPLE Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1879 Age 83 Death quarter 1 Death year 1962 District THANET County Kent Volume 5B Page 1178 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
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24 May 2016 23:34 |
Wondering about this? EDIT No.... this one is Albert Edward on the CWGC
Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription
First name(s) Albert Last name Gillham Gender Male Birth year 1902 Birth date 1902 Birth place Dover Death year 1917 Death date 24 Mar 1917 Age 15 Vessel name Achille Adam Departure port - County AT SEA Series BT 334 Box 0071 Page 13 Record set Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain
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24 May 2016 23:44 |
Now you see why I've been going round in circles :-D
Thank you so much for your assistance - I'll check in tomorrow to see if there are any updates. At least you've all managed to put some of them 'to bed'.
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25 May 2016 07:09 |
I know you have Ethel's death but here she is in 1939 (apologies if this already posted)
Ethel S Ford (Gillam) 25 Jun 1904 Female Paid Help Domestic Single 198 1 Address 28 Holland Road Southend
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25 May 2016 07:27 |
Jude - none of the 1939 registers had originally been found, so thanks for that. :-) Back later.
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