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greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:53

This record shows Joseph George and Matilda on the 1939 Register. It was compiled to be a basis for National ID in WW2 and later became the basis for the National Health Service. It doesn't show Service Personnel or anyone born after 1915 unless it's known they have died. It was updated to around 1991.

It looks as though there are possibly 8 "closed" records in the same household so they had lots of children probably

Holloway Household (2 People)
65 Quinton Road West 32 , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Matilda Phillips (Holloway) 24 Oct 1902 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 365 2
Joseph G Holloway 02 Oct 1901 Male General Labourer Married 365 1
Ref: RG101/5522B/010/30 Letter Code: QARH

EDIT - Matilda is also shown with the name Phillips suggesting she remarried

safc

safc Report 20 Dec 2016 16:52


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
Print transcription
First name(s) Joseph
Last name Spittle
Name note -
Age 21
Marriage year 1901
Marriage date 25 Dec 1901
Marriage place Birmingham
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Spittle
Spouse's first name(s) Kate
Spouse's last name Holloway
Spouse's birth year 1882
Spouse's birth date 1882
Spouse's father's first name(s) George James
Spouse's father's last name Holloway
Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:48

Using this free site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

you can check the other children named on the 1911 census and see that they are Spittles with mmn Holloway. You can also use that site up to 1915 for further children
Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SPITTLE, CATHERINE LUCY HOLLOWAY
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 203

SPITTLE, GEORGE MALIN HOLLOWAY
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 173

SPITTLE, JONATHAN HOLLOWAY Order
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 27

SPITTLE, WILFRED HOLLOWAY Order
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 14

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These are the only ones that come up post 1911. Odd as I can't see another Spittle/Holloway marriage. First thought is they might be twins bit you would expect the Page No. to be the same or at least only 1 different (or so I thought)
Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SPITTLE, RUBY HOLLOWAY Order
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 7

SPITTLE, VIOLET HOLLOWAY Order
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 19

amanda

amanda Report 20 Dec 2016 16:46

Wow that's amazing in five minutes you have found more information than I have all day all my information ? have viewed on other people's trees but nobody seams to have gone any further than Matilda and Joseph do you know how I would find Matildas mothers name

greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:37

Not other siblings - Kate Holloway will be Catherine and Joseph the man she married the other 2 names will be another marriage. It's just the way the records were written up.

Siblings of Joseph George show on the 1911 census. He is the Joseph showing as born 1901 and now having taken the Spittle surname. However when he married he would have married in the name he was registered with at birth.

greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:32

Joseph George's birth - mother's maiden name is blank, so indicative of her surname being the same. The December birth registration means Joseph could have been born anytime from mid August onwards as 6 weeks was allowed before a birth had to be registered.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HOLLOWAY, JOSEPH GEORGE - Order
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 178

amanda

amanda Report 20 Dec 2016 16:31

That's brilliant thank you so much the other names ie Henry/kate/Caroline are they other siblings

greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:28

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2 City View Wellington St Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Joseph Spittle Head Married Male Polisher Silver 29 1882 Wks Birmingham
Catherine Spittle Wife Married Female - 28 1883 Wks Birmingham
Joseph Spittle Son - Male Scholar Council School 10 1901 Wks Birmingham
Catherine Spittle Daughter - Female Scholar Council School 8 1903 Wks Birmingham
George Spittle Son - Male Scholar Council School 6 1905 Wks Birmingham
Jonathan Spittle Son - Male - 3 1908 Wks Birmingham
Wifred Spittle Son - Male - 2 1909 Wks Birmingham

Married 10 years 5 children born and still living

greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:24

?? Birth of the Father Joseph "Maline"

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) JOSEPH MALLIN
Last name SPITTLE
Birth year 1881
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Page 229

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?? And his Marriage to Joseph George's mother after the birth of Joseph George

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
BENNETT Henry Birmingham 6d 87
HOLLOWAY Kate Birmingham 6d 87 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Holyoak Caroline Birmingham 6d 87
Spittle Joseph Birmingham 6d 87

amanda

amanda Report 20 Dec 2016 16:20

So my great grandad was born 1901 and my great nan was born 1905 and it is in Birmingham Warwickshire I have info of other siblings but may not be relevant

amanda

amanda Report 20 Dec 2016 16:18

Yes grey ghost that is the right marriage I will also post years and area thank you for your reply

greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:14

Having said that, this is the only Matilda West/Holloway marriage that comes up - is this the correct family?

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

First name(s) JOSEPH G
Last name HOLLOWAY
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1924
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ JOSEPH G HOLLOWAY married
MATILDA WEST
Spouse's last name WEST
District BIRMINGHAM NORTH
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country

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England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription

First name(s) Joseph George
Last name Holloway
Name note -
Age 23
Marriage year 1924
Marriage date 11 Oct 1924
Marriage place Birmingham
Father's first name(s) Joseph Maline
Father's last name Spittle
Spouse's first name(s) Matilda
Spouse's last name West
Spouse's birth year 1904
Spouse's birth date 1904
Spouse's father's first name(s) Frederick
Spouse's father's last name West
Residence Birmingham, Warwick, England
County Warwickshire

greyghost

greyghost Report 20 Dec 2016 16:12

Hi amanda,

It might help if you were to give some dates and places and tell us as much as you know so we are then not looking for information you already have.

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 20 Dec 2016 16:11

To save a bit of time, could you give years and area please?

amanda

amanda Report 20 Dec 2016 16:09

Hi just wondering if anybody could help me find any information on my great great grandparents I'm researching my family tree and have come to a dead end now iv come to the forth generation the only info I have got are there children's names my great nan is Matilda Holloway née West and I wish to find out about her mother and father and my great grandad is Joseph George Holloway and I would also like to find out about his mother and father or indeed any other siblings any help is greatly appreciated