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Hi everybody, just wondering if anyone can help before I go crazy.

I am researching Wilkins family and cannot work out what happened to Johnny Wilkins.
He was born 1871 in Llangedeirn, Carmarthenshire to John Wilkins & Eliza Rees
He married Emily May Walters in 1892 and had 3 kids (Edna May, Vernon Lloyd (my partners great grandfather), & Mildred Norma). Emily died in 1897.

Johnny remarried in 1902 to Mary Ann James. I have recently found he had 2 more kids Beatrice Mona (1903) & Henry Garfield (1904)

Henry Garfield wilkins is on the 1911 census with another family as 'adopted son'. I can't find Beatrice on 1911 census but is on 1939 register living with Margaret Webb (nee James) her Auntie, she married Walter Filby in 1946.

I can't find Johnny or Mary Ann on the 1911 census nor any trace of them after the birth of Henry in 1904. Can anyone help? I wonder why the 2 youngest kids seemingly ended up abandoned!

I can't find them at the moment but on the 1911 census Henry Garfield is described as "adopted grandson" on the image and not "adopted son".

Kath. x

Could this be Beatrice?

Think it says Ad(opted) Daugther

Name: Breatrice Mona Morgan
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Ast Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Pontybrem, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Glyncorrwg
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County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 12 Caroline Street Abergwynfi Glammorgnashire
Registration district: Neath
Registration District Number: 592
Sub-registration district: Glyncorwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Household schedule number: 141
Piece: 32657
Household Members:
Name Age
Daniel Morgan 50
Ellen Morgan 50
William David Morgan 26
Thomas Morgan 23
Ivor Morgan 18
Moses Morgan 13
Johnny Morgan 11
Breatrice Mona Morgan 8

Andy

His birth
JOHNY
Last name WILKINS
Birth year 1871
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District CARMARTHEN
County Carmarthenshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 739
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from Great Britain
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Slightly different spelling

Very common name. Right area.

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915




Name: John Wilkins
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 34
Registration district: Llanelly
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Carmarthenshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 750

Andy

Just to,place him


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Barmbridge House, Llangendeirne, Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire, Wales


John Wilkins Head Married Male 67 1834 Coal Miner Hewer Below Ground Carmarthenshire, Wales Transcription
Eliza Wilkins Wife Married Female 61 1840 - Carmarthenshire, Wales Transcription
Johnny Wilkins Son Widower Male 29 1872 Black Smith Carmarthenshire, Wales Transcription
Edna Wilkins Grand Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Carmarthenshire, Wales Transcription
Vernon Wilkins Grand Son - Male 6 1895 - Carmarthenshire, Wales Transcription
Mibred Wilkins Grand Daughter - Female 5. 1896 Carmarthenshire

Bit of speculation

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
JONES William Llanelly 11a 1981
WILKINS Mary Anne Llanelly 11a 1981


Name: William Jones
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llangiwg
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County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: Glasfryn House Brynamman Rd
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 4
Estimated Marriage Year: 1907
Occupation: Above Ground Stoker (colliery)
Registration district: Pontardawe
Registration District Number: 593
Sub-registration district: Pontardawe
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Household schedule number: 44
Piece: 32683
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 38
Mary Annie Jones 33
William Stanley Jones 3
Frances May Wilkins 15 Sister
Alfred Jones 25 Boarders
John Evert Morris 24
William Henry Lewis 22

Who is Frances May Wilkins?

WILKINS, FRANCES MAY THOMAS Order
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 1092

Andy

Thanks so much!

Kath I hadn't noticed Henry was listed as adopted grandson rather than son. So I presume he was adopted by Theophilus & Elinor Aubrey.
Definitely looks like the Beatrice I am looking for, thank you Andy!
Could definitely be the right John/johnny death record, I guess I need to get the certificate. I presume Mary Ann must of remarried before the 1911 census and binned off the kids?!! Will keep looking.

Thanks again

Edna M and Mildred on 1939 register


Walters Household (3 People)
Post Office , Kidwelly M.B., Carmarthenshire, Wales
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Mildred N Wilkins 29 Oct 1896 Post Office Assistant
Lily Annie Walters 11 Dec 1879 Sub Postmistress
Edna M Wilkins 30 Mar 1893 Unpaid Domestic Duties Light Household Duties Semi Invalid
Ref: RG101/7205C/002/2 Letter Code: XDEO
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Not seeing them on the 1911 census as yet

This looks like the above death?

Weekly Mail - 11th Feb 1905.

DISTRESSING FATALITY IN A PIT NEAR LLANELLY. A sad occurren-ce is reported from the Pontyberem Colliery, near Llanelly. Two smiths, named John Wilkins, of Furnace- terrace, and William Roberts, of Llannon- road, went down the drift in order to repair some pipes. Hours passed without their return, and a search party was organised. It was made up of George Ruston, Joseph Mann, and David Thomas. After proceeding down the drift for a distance of about 200 yards the party found the two men lying near the flues. Wilkins was dead, and Roberts was unconscious, but recovered on being brought to the surface. It is sur- mised t-hat the unfortunate men were suffo- cated by gas. Wilkins was a married man, and a native of Kidwelly. He leaves a widow and five children.

Dea x

She is with the jones family

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
18 Causeway St Kidwelly, Kidwelly St Mary, Carmarthenshire, Wales

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Print transcription View image Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Alfred William Jones Head Married Male Traffic Manager 53 1858 Monmouth Blackwood Transcription
Ellen Jones Wife Married Female - 55 1856 Carmarthen Kidwelly Transcription
Lily Walders Niece Single Female Postal Clerk 31 1880 Carmarthen Kidwelly Transcription
Mildred Norma Wilkins Grand Niece Single Female School 1896 Carmarthen. Pontyberum

So looks as if both parnets died and the children dispersed around the families

this must be his death already posted

John Wilkins
Carmarthen Burials
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Country
Wales
County
Carmarthenshire
Year
1905
Birth Year
1871
Age
34
Year Of Death
1905

Wow thanks guys, the newspaper report is great. I never would of found that myself.

Andy, I haven't come across a Frances May before. I will have a look into that.

Presumably Mary couldn't support the children after Johnny's death so had to give them up for adoption, just a guess.

Thanks again

The Welshman
7th April 1905 (Second edition)

In the workmen's compensa- tion case of Mrs. Mary Ann Wilkins v. the Ponty- berem Collieries Co., Ltd., Mr. David Randell (Messrs. David Randell and Saunders) appeared for the applicant, and applied for payment out of court of £227. 7s., damages paid by the defendant company in respect of the death of her husband. His Honour made the following apportionment: One-third to the widow and two-thirds to the children.

Dea x

Can see below...

Chris :)

Carmarthen Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) John
Last name Wilkins
Age 34
Birth year 1871
Death year 1905
Burial year 1905
Burial date 09 Feb 1905
Parish Llanelli, St Elli
Place Llanelli, St Elli
(Abode, Furnace Terrace Pontyberem)


First name(s) Emily May
Last name Wilkins
Age 23
Birth year 1874
Death year 1897
Burial year 1897
Burial date 17 Jul 1897
Parish Llanelli, St Elli
Place Llanelli, St Elli
(Abode, Caersalem Row, Pontyberem)


http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(in case anything else, Newspapers)


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3679313/3679316/52/

(some for a Vernon Wilkins, one above, if relating)


http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5877766

(above Military reference)


http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33943

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30188/supplement/7287

Thanks again guys.

I guess adoptions in early 1900's were quite informal? Beatrice is using the adopted name of Morgan on the 1911 census but is back as Wilkins on the 1939 register. Is this common?

The link for newspaper articles is great, gives me another avenue to explore.

Chris, funny you should share the British Badge Forum link. I actually came across this a few months ago, and my partner contacted the poster. Bearing in mind its a UK site, (we live in Tasmania, Australia) and the post was from 3 years ago, incredibly my partner has now been reunited with the watch and medal of his great Grandfather. It was found at the tip over 10 years ago. Not sure how it got there!

Quick question:

Why would a marriage record have 3 people on it?

Looking up a marriage on ancestry, in 1910 there is Griffith Morgans, Jane Edwards and Mary Wilkins. I've come across 4 people on a record but not 3. Why is this?

Sorry if it's a silly question :-P

Obviously a transcription error - there is someone missing from the page.

This is what it should contain:

Marriages Mar 1910 (>99%)
Edwards Jane Carmarthen 11a 1700 Scan available - click to view
EVANS Thomas Carmarthen 11a 1700 Scan available - click to view
MORGANS Griffith Carmarthen 11a 1700 Scan available - click to view
WILKINS Mary Carmarthen 11a 1700 Scan available - click to view

Dea x

Thanks Dea! Is there a way to know who married who, without cross-referencing it with other censuses etc?

That is the only way, apart from buying the cert, I am afraid.

I have had a quick look but can't pin them down - there are just too many people with those names in Wales !!!

Dea x