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It might be interesting to discover what information James's first marriage certificate reveals.

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4594919/4594923/60/

(was wondering on Thomas above, if relating (occ. sawyer, James being a Timber Man)


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4598209/4598215/26/

(above looks to relate also)


http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

(above can be useful, even more so if you are familiar to places/names in Wales, as not in my case, lol)


1891 (Find My Past)
Thomas Tombs Head Married Male 46 1845 Timber Sawyer Brockhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Julia Tombs Wife Married Female 44 1847 - Sevenhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Alfred Tombs Son Single Male 20 1871 - Brockhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Laura Tombs Daughter Single Female 16 1875 - Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
John Ellis Father In Law Widower Male 81 1810 - Sevenhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Silas Tombs Lodger Married Male 32 1859 General Labourer Sevenhampton, Gloucestershire, England
Frank Davies Lodger Single Male 25 1866 Stone Mason Sevenhampton, Gloucestershire, England
John Pope Lodger Single Male 26 1865 General Labourer Somerset, England
Street Oban Street
Town Cadoxton
Parish Cadoxton Juxta Barry
County Glamorganshire
Registration district Cardiff
Archive reference RG12
Piece number 4406
Folio 63
Page 48


http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx

(checking on above, below the Marriage)


Marriages Dec 1869 (>99%)
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ELLIS Julia Mary Northleach 6a 771
Tombs Thomas Northleach 6a 771


If anything in it!...(but 1911 Marriage cert. gives Father Thomas occ. Farm Labourer, I see!)

Chris :)

(Marriage after 1911 Census, with below on Cert., so wonder about that address 1911)

"I think it says they lived at 7 Mackintosh place, Ystrad Mynach"


(wonder what is said for Father occ. on his 1903 Marriage?)

Edits (just seen PH above, nods head here in agreement!)

Are we sure that the 1903 marriage is him?

(well as he was a widower 1911, would think that was it, below for address on 1911 Cert., unless another Mackintosh Place!)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
James Pine Head Married Male Labourer 52 1859 Lyng Somerset
Mary Pine Wife Married Female - 42 1869 West Hatch Somerset
Alice Pine Daughter Single Female Domestic Servant 18 1893 Cardiff Glamorgan
Lilian May Pine Daughter Single Female Domestic Servant 16 1895 Cardiff Glamorgan
Dorothy Pine Daughter - Female School 13 1898 Cardiff Glamorgan
James Alfred Pine Son - Male School 11 1900 Cardiff Glamorgan
Reginald Pine Son - Male School 6 1905 Cardiff Glamorgan
Howard Charles Pine Son - Male - 0 1911 Cardiff Glamorgan
David James Bright Head Married Male Railway Coach Painter 25 1886 Cardiff Glamorgan
Margaret Gilbert Bright Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Cardiff Glamorgan
Gilbert James Bright Son - Male - 1 1910 Cardiff Glamorgan
Address 7 Mackintosh Place Roath Park Cardiff
Parish Cardiff
County Glamorganshire
Census reference RG14 PN32072 RG78 PN1845 RD588 SD2 ED5 SN2


Harris given for Mother Maiden Name of Alice above)

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Harris Mary Axbridge 5c 978
Pine James Axbridge 5c 978

Maybe they lived there before/after in the same year?

Greyghost posted a possible birth for James in 1875 in Ross reg disctrict.

If Thomas & Julia were his parents, and sister Laura was born in Cheltenham, here's another possibility:

TOMBS, FRANK -
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 455

Sister Laura 's birth was registered in in Cheltenham (very close to Brockhampton) , per 1891 census above, and per GRO:

TOMBS, LAURA ELLIS
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 448

James F doesn't appear on any census with Thomas and Julia. In 1881 they are in Nottinghamshire with Albert and Laura. I don't think Thomas and Julia are his parents. That's not to say that Thomas wasn't related to James in some way. Perhaps he was the illegitimate son of a sister of Thomas and gave Thomas as his father when he married to avoid the stigma of no father named on the certificate.

I agree with RG that Thomas & Julia were probably not his parents.
Their other children's births are registered with mms, but there's no such birth for James.

(yes, tis' a puzzler folks!)...

Chris :)

It's so weird. There are too many James Tombs!!!

It's so weird. There are too many James Tombs!!!

In 1881 Thomas and Julia have an Eliza Beatrice Tomb b. 1879 visiting them. I wondered if she was conected to your James but I can't find a birth registered for her either!

My gut feeling is that James was registered under a different surname, if at all!

Perhaps the "ditto" for Eliza Beatrice's surname was a mistake. Her birthplace is given as Charlton Kings, Glos.

There's this birth:

SHIRLEY, ELIZA BEATRICE mms BENNETT
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 448

Cheltenham reg district includes Charlton Kings.

She's with her parents Charles & Hannah in subsequent censuses, but I don't see the parents in 1881.

(as said earlier, perhaps below Marriage would be worth getting, as he was a Widower, 1911 one)

Chris :)

First name(s) JAMES FRANK
Last name TOMBS
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1903
JAMES FRANK TOMBS married Elizabeth Ann Jones
District Newport (Monmouthshire)
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Page 389


safc Report 17 Feb 2017 21:49

Deaths Dec 1904 (>99%)
TOMBS Elizabeth Ann 20 Newport M. 11a 157