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Hi everyone,

This is the first chance i have had to pop on here today.

Thank you all soo much for all the information you have found............especially to Austin, Rootgather, Chris and Maddie for your persistance. All your time and effort is very much appreciated.

After spening all day and all evening on Monday and getting nowhere, i decided to put this one on the back burning for a few days to give my brain a rest! :-S

I am thrilled with all your research and i have the confidence to go further back with this family now.

Thank you........

Prickles ;o)) <3

Oh how fabulous!

I have only just had a quick look through all the replies as i need to sign off for tonight.

I will carefully take my time looking through it tomorrow and get back to you all.

If i do it tonight, i will get all excited and wont be able to sleep!!! :-D

Thanks everyone. Prickles. xxx

Well done everyone!! I thought this was going to be one of these that went on the 'unsolveable' pile.
:-D :-D

No problem rootgatherer- it was strange how it went full circle back to the 1901 census you posted!

Oops! Glad you re-posted that AustinQ. I deleted it half an hour ago as I thought it was irrelevant. :-)

and so the 1901 census the Rootgather posted on page one is 'our' Elizabeth- she was staying with her father's parents:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
8, Aden Street, West Derby, Lancashire, England

William Haworth Head Married Male 46 1855 Sail Maker Liverpool, Lancashire,
Elizabeth Haworth Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Liverpool, Lancashire,
Jane Haworth Daughter Single Female 20 1881 Laundress Liverpool, Lancashire,
Frances Haworth Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Laundress Liverpool, Lancashire,
Richard Haworth Son Single Male 17 1884 Dock Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire,
Elizabith Haworth Step Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Liverpool, Lancashire,

(Elizabeth is listed as Grandaughter on original)
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Willow Grove, West Derby, Lancashire, England

William Haworth Head Married Male 39 1852 Sailmaker Liverpool, Lancashire,
Elizabeth Haworth Wife Married Female 35 1856 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Haworth Son - Male 16 1875 Baker Apprentice Liverpool, Lancashire,
Henry Haworth Son - Male 14 1877 Shop Boy Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Frank Haworth Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jane Haworth Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Francis Haworth Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Haworth Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England

in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Confirmations, 1813-1920

Name: Elizabetha Howarth
Birth Year: abt 1894
Confirmation Age: 10
Confirmation Date: 18 Dec 1904
Parish: St Michael, Lancashire, England
Sponsor's Name: Amelia Rising

persistence and teamwork wins

YES!!! Well found Maddie,

That birth date confirms PH is now onto the correct family!

I can now get on with what I'm supposed to be doing :-)

Name: Elizabetha Howarth
Birth Date: 8 Sep 1894
Baptism Date: 15 Sep 1894
Parish: St Michael, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Gulielmi Howarth
Mother's name: Nariae Talbot

thomas reynolds is mentioned but i cannot read the script

Henry's baptism
Name: Henricus Haworth
Birth Date: 27 Jul 1897
Baptism Date: 10 Aug 1897
Parish: St Michael, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Gulielmi Haworth
Mother's name: Mariae Lalbot

Can anybody see Elizabeth's baptism?

another maybe
JANE
Last name HOWARTH
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1924
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JANE HOWARTH married
Richard Whitaker
Spouse's last name Whittaker
District West Derby
District number -
County Lancashire

Following post from AQ, did see below, early this morning, now looks to fit...

Chris :)

10 January 1940 - Liverpool Daily Post - Liverpool, Merseyside, England

Death
HOWARTH - January 6, in hospital. AMY PRUDENCE, beloved wife of William Lawrence Howarth, of 6 Denstone Crescent. Interment at West Derby Cemetery, to-morrow (Thursday), at 12 o’clock.


1939 (Find My Past)

6 Denstone Crescent , Huyton with Roby U.D., Lancashire,
Amy Howarth 16 Jan 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
William Howarth 21 Feb 1904 Male Printers Assistant (Newspaper) Married
Amy Downes (Howarth) 07 Sep 1927 Female At School Single
William Howarth 12 Jul 1933 Male At School Single
Maureen (Ann) Howarth 21 Jan 1936 Female Under School Age Single
Elizabeth Ashton 29 Aug 1872 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925

ASHTON Amy P HOWARDS William L Everton, St. Chrysostom Liverpool 2095WD/9/138


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1904

HOWARTH William L West Derby Eastern Liverpool WDE/13/22


HOWARTH, WILLIAM LAWRENCE (TALBOT)
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 662


http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/index.php

(from above link, if anything else there to help, although surname mistake!)


Marriages Sep 1925 (>99%)
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Ashton Amy P Howarth W. Derby 8b 693
Howarth William L Ashton W. Derby 8b 693

i think this is jane
Johanna Hawarth

in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
View Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906


Name: Johanna Hawarth
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1901
Baptism Date: 10 Aug 1901
Parish: St Michael, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Galielmi Laurenti Howarth
Mother's name: Mariae Howarth alim Salbot ---------------- image says talbot
matrina fuit ---- elizabeth howarth
patrinus fuit ------ blank

Maybe the other witness?

Back
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
125 Radcliffe St Liverpool, Everton, Lancashire, England


Peter Reynolds Head Married Male Dock Turncock Water Dept Municipal 29 1882 Liverpool
Marion Reynolds Wife Married Female - 26 1885 Liverpool
Marion Reynolds Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Liverpool
Agnes Reynolds Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Liverpool
Peter Reynolds Son - Male - 1 1910 Liverpool
James Harrison Father - In - Law Widower Male Foundry Labourer 52 1859 Resident Antrim Ireland
James Harrison Brother - In - Law Single Male Dock Labourer 23 1888 Liverpool
Helen Harrison Sister - In - Law Single Female - 14 1897 Liverpool

Maybe the witness? Not seeing her in 1911

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Kensington View, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Edward Mutch Head Married Male 40 1861 Skewer Maker Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Esther Mutch Wife Married Female 42 1859 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Esther Mutch Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Florence Mutch Daughter - Female 9 1892 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Agnes Mutch Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edward Mutch Son - Male 5 1896 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Grace Mutch Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Henry Fenimore Boarder Single Male 55 1846 General Labourer Taunton, Oxfordshire, England
Edward Lee Boarder Single Male 29 1872 General Labourer Liverpool, Lancashire, England

I'm still short on time but wanted to add- I'm not sure the Mary birth in 1900 is correct for Jane. I think that Mary possibly died.

I can't find Jane's birth at the moment, but on her Father's service record from Jan 1915 the children listed at home are:

Jane- 31st July 1901 (she's crossed out with 'over age' written next to her)
William Lawrence 21st February 1904
Richard 16th April 1906
Alfred 6th January 1909
Lilian 14th December 1910
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William married Amy Ashton 1925
Richard married Sarah Rowson 1929 (sister of Rebecca who married Henry)
Lilian married John P Geoghegan 1933

No Occupation given for Elizabeth Saf.

Yes i did notice the witness Thomas Reynolds Rose.

A wee glimmer of hope.

That's why i tried to search for a parish marriage record for Jane or Mary............to see who the witnesses were.

I am sorry if I am repeating,

but you did notice that on the marriage of Henry the witness was Thomas Reynolds?

VIEW Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921

Name: Henry Howarth
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Year: abt 1897
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1919
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Philip, Lancashire, England

Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: William Lawrence Howarth
Spouse: Rebecca Elizabeth Rowson

PricklyHolly

does it say what elizabeth howards occupation is?