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Thank you very much to Tiggit. That is very interesting.

I am doing this research on behalf of a friend and she is SO GRATEFUL.

:-D

Sorry I think I may have mislead everyone. The 1891 posted above does seem to be them, so that would make the death found for Fanny very possible.

After seeing what appears to be the correct census in 1861 for them, naming Zaccheus as William it is possible.

The 1851 I found for William is this one. All brothers not father and sons.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bishopsgate Street, Saint Botolph Bishopsgate, East London (City of London), London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Augustin Winterhalder Head Unmarried Male 34 1817 Clock Maker Germany
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>>William Winterhalder Brother Unmarried Male 32 1819 Clock Maker Germany
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Andrew Winterhalder Brother Unmarried Male 30 1821 Clock Maker Germany
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Hoddal Winterhalder Brother Unmarried Male 28 1823 Clock Maker Germany
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Othman Winterhalder Brother Unmarried Male 34 1817 Clock Maker Germany
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Bannefoe Schwel Servant Unmarried Male 21 1830 Clock Maker Germany
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Paul Straub Servant Unmarried Male 26 1825 Clock Maker Germany
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John Dparmle Servant Unmarried Male 40 1811 Clock Maker Germany



and Zaccheus in 1851. There are others on the record that I have not posted as they are not family.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Shouldham Street, Saint Marylebone, Marylebone, London, England



>>Zacharias Winterholder Head Married Male 23 1828 Clock Maker Germany
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Frances Winterholder Wife Married Female 23 1828 - Kent, England
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Emily T Winterholder Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Middlesex, England
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Nicola have you seen this tree on the familysearch website? If not it might be worth looking at

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3HKZ-7G5

I think the death found is of this Fanny that I already posted.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Drury Lane, St Martin in the Fields, Strand, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Winterhalder Head Married Male 69 1822 Clock Maker London, Middlesex, England
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Fanny Winterhalder Wife Married Female 64 1827 - London, Middlesex, England
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Charles Winterhalder Grandson - Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England


EDIT No this is a different man. With his father, Augustin and brothers in 1851. They are all clockmakers born in Germany?

sorry I put ambrose instead of ZACCHEUS was doing another thread with ambrose

Yes, thank you both and this is looking very good.
:-D

still could be her reading the post ZACCHEUS was also called William

sorry don't think it was the above because
Name: Fanny Winterhalder
Spouse: William Winterhalder
Birth: abt 1827 - Clerkenwell, London, England
Residence: London, St Martin in the Fields, London

Name: Fanny Winterhalder
Death: 7 Feb 1895 - Stepney White Chapel, England
Vital: 7 Feb 1895

Deaths Mar 1895   (>99%)

Winterholder
 Fanny
 68
 Whitechapel
 1c
227

Now I am looking for the death of his wife Frances/Fanny Winterhalden. It will be post 1881 because she's in that census with two of their children.

Bright eyes on this one, please.
:-)

I agree that the 1861 is very probably our family. Not sure how our man got from Zaccheus to William, though! Perhaps he was fed up with spelling his name ......

Thank you for all your hard work; much appreciated.
:-D :-D

1861 certainly seems possible safc. Wonder if they tried anglicizing their name for that one? Who knows, maybe it was just easier for whover was writing the census details down.

WINTERHALDER, CHARLES EDWARD SOUTHGATE Order
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 431

WINTERHALDER, FANNY AMELIA SOUTHGATE Order
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 74

WINTERHALDER, EMILY TERESA ANN SOUTHGATE Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01 Page 242

Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
Winterhalder Emily Teresa Ann Marylebone 1 242

Thank you again Alviegal.
I'll peek back at this tomorrow, in hope!
:-)

????


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
19, Cleveland Street, Marylebone, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Winter Head Married Male 39 1822 Watch & Clock Maker -
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Fanny Winter Wife Married Female 33 1828 - Southborough, Kent, England
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Emily Winter Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1851 - St Marylebone, Middlesex, England
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Fanny Winter Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1856 - St Marylebone, Middlesex, England


william birth germany black forest

emily and fanny birth years the same as 1871

I can't find any of them in 1861 I'm afraid. I'll try again tomorrow but I'm afraid I need to go.

Alviegal, this is BRILLIANT!
It's such a difficult name and seems to have been misheard/mistranscribed etc over the years.
The 1851 is fantastic to see.
Where, oh where, are they in 1861??
Thank you so much - you always come to my rescue.
:-D :-D