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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 1 Aug 2017 19:30

(awaits George, lol)

Chris :)

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 2 Aug 2017 06:27

(probably not below!, but Fen area (near Peterborough) not far from Northants. County)

Chris :)

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Charles
Last name Blunt
Gender Male
Birth year 1850
Baptism year 1858
Baptism date 1858
Baptism age 8 YEARS
Residence Coates, Cambridgeshire, England
Place Coates
County Cambridgeshire
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Blunt
Mother's first name(s) Alice


1851 (Find My Past)
James Blunt Head Married Male 31 1820 Victualer Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Alice Blunt Wife Married Female 32 1819 - Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Ellen Blunt Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Charles Blunt Son - Male 1 1850 - Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
William Speechly Wife's Brother Unmarried Male 25 1826 Cordwainer (Master) Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Mary Fountain Servant - Female 14 1837 - Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
House name Eastrea
Parish Whittlesey
County Cambridgeshire
Registration district Whittlesey
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1765
Folio 183
Page 2


(But, him below, by looks of t!)

1871 (Find My Past)
Charles Blunt Head - Male 21 1850 - Cambridgeshire, England (Eastrea) Bricklaying Lab.)
Martha A Blunt Wife - Female 22 1849 - Cambridgeshire, England
Alice E Blunt Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Northamptonshire, England
Street Pipe Lane
Parish St John the Baptist
City Peterborough
County Northamptonshire
Registration district Peterborough
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 1517
Folio 36
Page 18


Marriages Jun 1870 (>99%)
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Blunt Charles N. Witchford 3b 921
Fuller Martha Ann N. Witchford 3b 921


(that Daughter Marriage)

County Northamptonshire
Place Peterborough
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 447
Marriage date 30 Jun 1894
Groom forename William Smith
Groom surname BAKER
Groom age 22
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode St Johns Street
Groom occupation Fitter
Bride forename Alice Elizabeth
Bride surname BLUNT
Bride age 23
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode St Marys Street
Bride occupation Servant
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname BAKER
Groom father occupation Plasterer
Bride father forename Charles
Bride father surname BLUNT
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness William SHAW
Witness Kate BAKER
Register note Witness 1 signed with his x mark

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(thrown in also!)

UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833-1956 (Ancestry)

Chas Thorman (Thomson?)
Age 21
Birth Date: abt 1849
Residence Date: 16 Jun 1870
Company: London and North Western
Description: AR series registers 1869 - 1870
(last Employer, Geo. Barker, Farmer, Mansfield, Notts.)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 2 Aug 2017 07:13

Hull Daily Mail - Monday 12 January 1931

BOOTH- January 10th at 70 Osborne Street. Frank, beloved husband of Mary Ann Booth, aged 72. Interred Hedon Road Cemetery, Tuesday 1pm

Hull Daily Mail - Friday 23 June 1933

BOOTH.—In loving memory of my dear mother, Mary Ann, died June 23rd 1931; and father, died Jan. 10th, 1931.—Not forgotten. —George, Doris, and grandson.

BOOTH. —In loving memory of our dear mother, Mary Ann Booth, died June 23rd, 1931 : also our dear father, Frank, died Jan. 10th 1931. Remembered always. —From the family.
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Margy

Margy Report 2 Aug 2017 21:54

:-):-)this is what I have my dad Harry Thompson born 1908 his dadHenry \HarryBlunt Thompson born 1881 marriesLilian Moore Charles Blunt Thompson born 1850 marries Mary Ann Iliffe born 1860Burton Larimer Northamptonshire Charles born Cambridge Lilian born north Frodingham Charles dies around 1900 Mary Ann marries Frank Booth1901children Alice\Henry\William\William\Elizabeth\William\Charles\Hanner\Mary Ann\ Jhon\Hannah\EmilyHannah\George\ allThompson then some Booths I don't know if this is true and maybe linked to the Blunt name was told they had to change the name as someone killed a policeman thanks to everyone for your help hopefully will get a marrIage for Charles and Mary Wynn

Margy

Margy Report 2 Aug 2017 22:08

Soun ds it Mary Ann's death thanks for the information and that's Mary Ann not wynn

SueBrewer

SueBrewer Report 2 Aug 2017 22:52




George Brewer replied · 6 Replies · 41 mins
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Margy Melles



Margy Melles I think it's gone through but if not a lot is correct My dad Harry Thompson born 1908 in Hull hi dad Henry Blunt Thompson born 1881 marries Beatrice McWilliam she dies he then marries Lilian Moore born north Frodingham married 1910 his farther Charles Blunt Thompson 1850 marries Mary Ann Iliffe 1860 Charles born Cambridge Mary Ann born Burton Latimer Northamptonshire children's names listed in a bible Alice\Henry \John\William\William\Elizabeth\William \Charles\Hanner\Mary Ann\John\Hannah\Emily\Hannah\George thanks everyone for your help also the death seems right 1933 maybe a marrIage may turn up soon William is Charles father don't know mother's name


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Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Aug 2017 07:01

eh!...confusing here!...

"someone killed a policeman" (who?, Surname Blunt?, was this in Cambs?)

"William was Father of Charles" (would that be a William Blunt then?)


Taken from a Bible, are there no dates?...

Chris :)


(if Charles Death around 1900 as you say, and was Hull area, should perhaps be on below)

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/

Edits (not 1891 one (Mar. qtr.) as Census taken 5th April, he is on it)

?
Deaths Jun 1897 (>99%)
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Thompson Charles 47 Hull 9d 164
Thompson Charles 43 Sculcoates 9d 116


Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1897

THOMPSON Charles 43 Drypool Hull DRY/34/395
THOMPSON Charles 47 Myton Hull MYT/147/162

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Aug 2017 07:03

So these look to be some of the births- Just putting these for my own reference. I'm at work today, but will take a look later.

Do you have any of the children's marriage certificates or birth certificates? Where is it listed that Charles BLUNT Thompson is their father?

Births:

THOMPSON, WILLIAM mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 182
(died Sculcoates 1883- 4 mths old)

THOMPSON, WILLIAM mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 178
(died Sculcoates 1885- 9 mths old)

THOMPSON, ELIZABETH mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 181

THOMPSON, WILLIAM mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 164

THOMPSON, HANNAH mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 261
(died 1890)

THOMPSON, JOHN mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1892 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 314

THOMPSON, EMILY mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 289

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Aug 2017 07:41

(as said earlier, Fen a big area, Whittlesey, not far from Northants.)

(Another possible below)

Chris :)

1851 (Find My Past)
William Blunt Head Married Male 36 1815 Inn Keeper Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Alice Blunt Wife Married Female 37 1814 - Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
William Blunt Son - Male 11 1840 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
Thomas Blunt Son - Male 10 1841 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
George Blunt Son - Male 9 1842 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
Alice Blunt Daughter - Female 7 1844 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
Charles Blunt Son - Male 6 1845 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
Elizabeth Blunt Daughter - Female 3 1848 - March, Cambridgeshire, England
John Blunt Son - Male 2 1849 - Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
House name (Horse Shoes)
Parish Whittlesey
County Cambridgeshire
Registration district Whittlesey
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 1765
Folio 244
Page 30


Marriages Jun 1839 (>99%)
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BLUNT William Whittlesey 14 189
WATSON Alice Whittlesey 14 189


Birth
BLUNT, CHARLES (WATSON)
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD UNION Volume 14 Page 125


https://www.cfhs.org.uk/searchsd.cfm

(Cambridgeshire Baptisms/Burials 1801/1837)

Baptism
Subject BLUNT William
Year 1814 Relationship s. of William & Alice
Place Whittlesey, St.M

Baptism
Subject BLUNT William
Year 1814 Relationship s. of Thomas & Rebecca
Place Whittlesey, St.M

Margy

Margy Report 3 Aug 2017 13:33

I have both certificates for Henry / Harry Blunt Thompson his name on these is Harry Blunt Thompson father down as Charles Blunt Thompson list of Charles and Mary Ann's children as follows out of a bible I have. Alice born Oct 24th 1879 /Henry 15th Feb 1881/Johnmarch 29th1882/William 8th may 1883/William 14th april1884/Elizabeth 10th Aug 1885/William24th Dec 1886/Charles 23rd Feb 1888/Banner 13 June 1889/Mary Ann 17 Jan 1891 /John 2nd Aug 1892/Hannah Oct 12th 1893 /Emily 13th April 1895/Hannah 12th March /George 7th July 1896 /Fred Booth 1900 also have a print out from ancestry for a Wright family tree dame family William is at the top it's so small he is either 1810 or 22 not sure wife's name can't make out but I think she married again as next to her is Shearsmith I think Booth hope this helps it is of use

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Aug 2017 16:33

(well just trying to make that easier to read!)...

(although I'm not sure on reference 'dame family' and 'Wright Family Tree', and how they relate, or where this all is!) (if Cambs. think I better get the 'pill bottle' out ready, lol)

Chris :)

(quote)

I have both certificates for Henry / Harry Blunt Thompson his name on these is Harry Blunt Thompson father down as Charles Blunt Thompson

list of Charles and Mary Ann's children as follows out of a bible I have.

Alice born Oct 24th 1879/ Henry 15th Feb 1881/ John march 29th 1882/ William 8th may 1883/ William 14th april 1884/ Elizabeth 10th Aug 1885/ William 24th Dec 1886/ Charles 23rd Feb 1888/ Banner 13 June 1889/ Mary Ann 17 Jan 1891/ John 2nd Aug 1892/ Hannah Oct 12th 1893 / Emily 13th April 1895/ Hannah 12th March / George 7th July 1896 / Fred Booth 1900

also have a print out from ancestry for a Wright family tree

dame family William is at the top it's so small he is either 1810 or 22 not sure wife's name can't make out but I think she married again as next to her is Shearsmith

I think Booth hope this helps it is of use

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 3 Aug 2017 18:53

I think dame is 'same'?

I'd be careful following another tree, unless you can see the sources they've used.

This is an example- I can't see the tree you mention- however, there is a Wright/Snow/Benton family tree. They have Alice with parents Charles Thompson and Mary A Iliffe. This is the birth they have for Alice

Name Alice Maud Thompson
Registration Year 1880
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Rugby
Inferred County Warwickshire
Volume 6d Page 577

However, using the GRO it shows mother's name is Walden (so not the correct Alice):

THOMPSON, ALICE MAUD mmn: WALDEN
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 577
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I'm still looking into this- and will probably carry on tomorrow now, but looking at the birth date given for Emily I can see she married Roland Main in 1921:

Marriages Dec 1921

Main Roland Thompson Hull 9d 586
Thompson Emily Main Hull 9d 586

She's on the 1939 register with the same birth date (I don't have access to view the record).

1939:
Brocklebank Household Pocklington R.D., Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Emily Main 13 April 1895
Fred Brocklebank and 3 more people are on this record
2 more people who are officially closed

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Aug 2017 06:21

(that 1939 reference/Emily)

Chris :)

Ivy House Farm Allerthorpe , Pocklington R.D., Yorkshire (East Riding)
Emily Main 13 Apr 1895 Female Help Married
Fred Brocklebank 11 Mar 1889 Male Farmer Single
Sheila M Allison (Smith) 17 Nov 1906 Female House Keeper Single
Betty Hall (Sutton) 25 Jul 1926 Female At School Single ?
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Margaret Cull (Lazenby) 21 Feb 1932 Female At School Single


(probably below?)

4 Mason (Smeaton) Street , Kingston-upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding),
Roland Main 14 Sep 1895 Male Boiler Fireman Heavy Worker Married
James A Clappison 21 Aug 1900 Male Paid Capstan Man


Edits (Banner Thompson 13 June 1889?, looking a mystery?)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Aug 2017 06:59

I think Banner is the Hannah birth I posted?:

THOMPSON, HANNAH mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 261

and Hannah's death:

Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%)

Thompson Hannah [41] Hull 9d 159
Image gives age as 1
-----------------------------------------------

This looks to be Alice's marriage:

Marriages Mar 1899

THOMPSON Alice Hull 9d 404
Woodall Frank Hull 9d 404
------------------------------------------

1911:
Name: Alice Woodall
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Rugby, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Street address: 24 Upper Union St
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Hull
Registration District Number: 522
Sub-registration district: Humber
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 28761
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Woodall 31
Alice Woodall 31
Frank Woodall 11
Annie Hembrough Woodall 10
Bertha Marion Woodall 8
Doris Woodall 5
John Woodall 1
--------------------------------

and Alice death:

Name: Alice Woodall
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Dec 1921
Age at Death: 41
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d Page: 261

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Aug 2017 07:06

(lol AQ, I'm out today, but will be thinking of you, don't get headache!)

Chris :)

(will look in later!)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Aug 2017 07:10

:) thanks Chris!

It's a toughy- wondering if the births of Alice and Henry weren't registered. Or, they were registered in a different surname- but it's difficult as they both married using Thompson.

I'll have a scout around the newpapers a bit later- fingers crossed something will turn up.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Aug 2017 07:17

(only seems to be below!)

Chris :)

THOMPSON, HARRY -
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 277


Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1881

THOMPSON Harry Myton Hull MYT/130/393

http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/index.php

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Aug 2017 07:39

But Harry would have been born Keyham Leicestershire area according to census.

And Alice born Burton Latimer/ Rugby

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Aug 2017 07:45

1881 the family were living Keyham.

This is possibly where the story of the policeman came from:

Leicester Chronicle - Saturday 06 August 1881

Keyham.
Charles Thompson, navvy, Keyham, was charged with assaulting P.C. Bosworth whilst in the execution of his duty at the above place on the Ist inst. The constable stated that he saw defendant and another man fighting on Monday night, about eleven o'clock, at Keyham. He went to stop them, and defendant kicked him and knocked him down. He afterwards apprehended him, and whilst in his custody defendant declared he would finish him. Defendant was fined 40s., costs 24s. 6d., or one month's hard labour.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 4 Aug 2017 08:13

Wondering about this birth for Alice ?:

BLOXAM, ALICE mmn: ILIFFE
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 543

although I think the only way to be certain would be to order the certificate.
-----------------------

Another possible article re Charles:

Leicester Journal - Friday 11 July 1879

Charles Springthorpe of Tilton, engine cleaner, charged Charles Thompson, a navvy, with i stealing shovel, value 2s.- Prosecutor said he missed the shovel Wednesday morning, the 2nd inst. It was all right on his premises on previous Sunday. The next day he accompanied P.C. Furnidge to Leicester, and met with the prisoner, who said he left the shovel on railway bank. P.C. Furnidge said when he charged prisoner with steeling the shovel, he said he left it on the bank near the Twyford viaducts. Had that morning been to the viaducts and found the shovel where prisoner had stated.- Prisoner told the Bench that prosecutor's wife lent him the shovel, " Don't tell Charlie, he'll grumble like fun," and that his ( the prisoner's) wife told prosecutor that he was using the shovel. Prosecutor re-called, said the latter statement was true. —The chairman reprimanded the prisoner for his ingratitude in not returning the shovel, and released him. At the request of Inspector Holloway, P.C Kestin and P.C. Cobley were appointed special constables at Loddington and Marefield, the conduct of the navvies at those places being, it was stated, very disorderly.