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The birth year on a death certificate is just an estimation and depends on who registered the death and how well informed they were.

Kath. x

Ellen Groves
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name: Ellen Groves
County: Cheshire
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Event Place: Nether Knutsford, Cheshire, England
Registration District: Altrincham
Residence Note: Swinton Square
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Occupation: Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1854
Birthplace: Knutsford, Cheshire
Page Number: 48
Registration Number: RG09
Piece/Folio: 2593 / 53
Affiliate Record Type: Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Groves Head Male 27 Tabley, Cheshire
Rebecca Groves Wife Female 28 Aston, Cheshire
Ellen Groves Daughter Female 7 Knutsford, Cheshire
Matthew Groves Son Male 5 Knutsford, Cheshire
George Groves Son Male 1 Knutsford, Cheshire
John Curbishley Lodger Male 15 Toft, Cheshire

Where were they living in 1881 Margaret as I can't find them on Findmypast.

EDIT - Found them now.

Kath. x

Thank you I thought it might be wrong as her birth was 14-1-1854 and baptism 14-5 1854

I was just looking at the 1881 census and was intrigued by the last name Richard who was listed as son but 13 years old? George would only be 15 when he was born and if he's Ellen's son she would only have been 14. I can't see him in 1871.

George Ashbrook 28
Sarah Ashbrook 19
Seary Ashbrook 9
William Ashbrook 8
Meright Ashbrook 8
Samuel Ashbrook 6
George Ashbrook 5 mos.
Richard Ashbrook 13

I'd say it is quite likely that the death above is the right one. Spelling of names was often quite fluid as people just spelled things as they heard them.

Northwich Registration District where the death was registered covers Weaverham where George re-married.

Kath. x

Thank you Kath very interesting.

There is this one with surname with an "e" on the end but age looks right:-

First name(s) Ellen
Last name Ashbrooke
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1853
Age 26
Death quarter 3
Death year 1879
District Northwich
County Cheshire
Volume 8A
Page 134
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Widowers with young children did tend to marry again quite quickly in those days.

There is always the possibility at that time that the couple just separated (as divorce was almost impossible for ordinary working class people) and then the couple just went on to live with other partners or marry again bigamously (it happened more often than you would imagine).

Kath. x

Hi can any one help please.i am trying to find a death for Ellen Ashbrook born 14-1-1854 baptism 14-5-1854.born Davenports yard Knutsford Cheshire.she married in Knutsford 1872 to George Ashbrook.one of their children was called Samuel born 1875 George then went on to marry Sarah Gregory in Weaverham 1880.on wedding certificate says George was a widow so Ellen must of died between 1875 and 1880.but I can not find a death for her,thinking she might have died giving birth to Samuel can you please help thanks