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if any one can help ia looking to find her parents/siblings and were she was born i know she married archibald goodall on 6th September 1896 at st johns church, holborn, age 19, and on the cert she and he lived at 56 red lion st holborn. she died in barnet hospital 1959 age 80, surname then maddams no.2 mar cert she married charles joseph maddams. she was aged 50, her dads name edward dougles atwell [spelt with one 't' on the first wed cert] a commision agent, and douglas edward attwell [2 't's on the 2nd cert deceased] a commercial traveler. NOT the dudley attwell's. on the 1901 cenus it states she was born in marylebone [nothing found]

How old was she on the marriage certificate? And what was her fathers name?

The death for reference. Q4 1959 Maddams Alice M age 80, Barnet, 5a 639

There's this birth?? Births Dec 1878 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Atwell Alice Maud M Dudley 6c 60

1881 census Name: Alice M.M. Attwell Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Edward Mother's name: Emily Gender: Female Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Tipton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 9 Spring Vale Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Dudley Sub-registration district: Tipton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice M.M. Attwell 2 Edward Attwell 27 Emily Attwell 26 Emily Attwell 5 Mary A. Attwell 4 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2863; Folio: 94; Page: 22; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341686.

Is this them in 1901? Name: Alice May M Goodall Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Archibald Gender: Female Where born: Marylebone, London, England Civil parish: Edmonton Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Edmonton ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 185 Household Members: Name Age Albert Goodall 20 Alice May M Goodall 23 Archibald Goodall 24 Archibald Goodall 2 Celia R Goodall 4 months Eva Goodall 42 Address 156 Sheldon Rd. Archibold is a Plumbers Lab. Albert Goodall abt 1881 Holborn, London, England Brother Edmonton Middlesex Alice May abt 1878 Marylebone, London, England Wife Edmonton Middlesex Archibald Goodall abt 1877 Bexley Heath, Kent, England Head Edmonton Middlesex Archibald Goodall abt 1899 Edmonton, Middlesex, England Son Edmonton Middlesex Celia R Goodall abt 1900 Holborn, London, England Daughter Edmonton Middlesex Eva Goodall abt 1859 Bexley Heath, Kent, England Visitor Edmonton Middlesex

Name: Alice Maud M Atwell Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Dudley (To 1912) County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 60 Snap Fiona.

1891? Name: Alice Attwell Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Mother's name: Emily Gender: Female Where born: Tipton, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Dudley Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: Kates Hill County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Dudley Sub-registration district: Dudley ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Attwell 12 Charlotte Attwell 7 Edward Attwell 9 Elizabeth Attwell 5 Emily Attwell 36 Harriet Attwell 2 George Taylor 59 Father of Emily Thomas Taylor 20 Brother of Emily Thomas F Taylor 22 Brother of Emily Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2296; Folio 146; Page 7; GSU roll: 6097406

1901 Census shows she was born in Marylebone: Alice May M Goodall Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Archibald Gender: Female Where born: Marylebone, London, England Civil parish: Edmonton Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Edmonton ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 185 Household Members: Name Age Albert Goodall 20 Alice May M Goodall 23 Archibald Goodall 24 Archibald Goodall 2 Celia R Goodall 4 months Eva Goodall 42 View Original Record View original image

Frances, We need her fathers name from the marriage certificate to know if Keith is on the right track with the 1891 census. Fiona.

It appears that I may have the wrong one on the 1881 and 1891 census!!!!! looking at the 1901. But unless we get some feed back as to fathers name we cannot tell.

Might not be Keith, seems to be the only one that fits and we do have 3 first names to go on. Wouldn't be the first to have a wrong birth place on censuses, a lot of my family just seem to put the last place they lived! I'm going with your find for what it's worth, now we just need to know if the father was Edward on the marriage certificate. Fiona.

I agree Fiona, it certainly springs out at you for the 81 and 91 census as the most likely, given the p.o.b.

Well spotted Jim, now where is the other one?

1901 Alice M M Attwell abt 1879 Tipton, Staffordshire, England Servant Edgbaston Warwickshire

Well now Jims found that one we really need to know if she had a father? Or if her mother was a single mum and she might be using her step fathers name in 1881/91?? Fiona.

Hi Frances, thanks for the pm, so if the one I found was incorrect, we need to find Alice prior to the 1901, what is her fathers name on the marriage certificate? It will help us to find her on earlier census to confirm her birth in Marylebone. Keith

Message recieved from Frances, fathers name Edward Douglas. hi there yes that is my grand parent with 2 of there children eva was mother in law she was surpose to be born in marylebone but there is no birth cert ive tryed cental office and ive had 3 goes and they still cant find her i know ruffley when she was born 1877/8/9 when she died 1959 on the wed.cert dads name was edward dougles but still nothing. thanks frances

Not sure if this is him but it's the only Edward Douglas I can find at the moment. Would make him born about 1839ish Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Jun 1892 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATWELL Edward Douglas 53 Pancras 1b 120

edward dougles atwell born 1839 of st pancras died 4 yrs before they married