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Susan, Each enumerator district can have dozen of pages - so 15 districts could be 100's of pages. You might just be unlucky in that they are not anywhere on the 1861 census. Maureen

Nudging because I still can't find this entry, and it's really bugging me. Can anyone please help? Susan

Ahh Well, Maureen, Thanks again, but it looks like a day at the library for me, where I can get access to Ancestry and trawl through the 15 pages for the area! (I was just hoping there may have been an easier way, but never mind) Susan

Oh double bother then !!! I do not have unlimited internet access to spend the time looking through the images. Have just taken a look at the entry for David Fruncon at 223 Strand - it is the very first entry at the top of the page - so no idea if the district is split into different enumerators - 222 Strand is marked as no person sleeping therein - so that is no help. St Clement Danes is split into 15 enumerator districts. Maureen

Maureen, Thanks for your help, but I don't have full access to Ancestry to go through these images, any help gratefully received. Susan

Typical that address is not listed but 223 Strand is shown. RG09/179/1/5 Reg. District; Strand Sub District: 3 St Clement Danes David Fruncon age 21 born France Thomas Smith age 16 born London Would at least give you a starting point to trawl through the images Maureen

The address on John's death certificate is:- 223 (and a half!) Strand. Hope this helps, Susan

Do you have an address on the 1860 death certificate for John? Address searches for 1861 can be done on 1837online - now called findmypast - but you need units to view the results. Augustus Pocock on the 1871 census is at the same address on 1861 census. 1861 RG09/179/31/21 Augustus Pocock age 62 15 Water St, St Clement Danes, Westminster Reg. District: Strand

Many thanks Marie, I'm beginning to think so too, although Elizabeth's husband died in December 1860 in the Strand, St Clement Danes, so surely Elizabeth and her son, John W must still be in this area in 1861? Is it possible to search the area instead of the people, or is this too long winded? Thanks again, Susan

Still looking Susan but beginning to think the aliens took them for the 1861!! Marie

Nudging, as I'm sure someone will find this. Many thanks, Susan

Hi Marie, John, Elizabeth's husband died in December 1860, on the 1851 census he was a porter, but on the death certificate he was a savings bank messenger. I have found the Standgroom under 'Handgroom' 'Seandgroom' 'Stanttgroom' 'Standgroon' and 'Stangroove' on the other census, so I really cannot guess what else they may be under on the 1861 census. Thank you for your help, Susan

Hi Susan Do you know when John the father died?? and what his occupation was?? marie

Jennifer has been brilliant and found Elizabeth under Stangroove on the 1891 census. Can anyone now find the final one:- the 1861 census entry? Many thanks, Susan

In the 1851 census they are indexed under HANDGROOM - John Elizabeth and Alfred E age 7. For the curious, I put in Elizabeth no surname, year of birth, place of birth and middlesex for place of census, spouses name John. Then worked my way down the results. Diane

1891 not at 16 Wych St RG12/216/53/11 Reg Dist: Strand Parish: St Clement Danes Names listed at that address are Belchier, Earl and Claridge

Please keep looking all you clever people. Many Thanks, Susan

Hi Reggie, Yes, that's her death, but really don't know where she went on the 1861,1891 census. Any ideas? Thanks, Susan

This presumably is her death......so she should be around in 1891 Name: Elizabeth Standgroom Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818 Year of Registration: 1894 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 76 District: Strand County: London Volume: 1b Page: 448 Reg

Elizabeth's maiden name was Blake, and I have found her as Elizabeth Blake with John Standgroom (her future husband) on the 1841 census. Hope this helps. Susan