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Can anyone find in the 1851 census John HADFIELD in either Bolton or Stockport. He was probably born about 1830. He may be married to a Harriet born about 1831 in Manchester. His job was hawker. I'd like to find their marriage too, about 1855? I'd also like to find Michael and Mary Ryan in either Bolton or Stockport in the 1841. They were possibly Harriet's parents. Thanks for any help offered Jane

hiya, where have you got your info from? do you have him on other censi??? and does he have children?? all info would be most helpful Julie

My only source for John Hadfield is aas father named on the marriage certificate of his daughter Nancy Ellen Hadfield in 1880. I have found (Nancy) Ellen in the 1861 in Stockport with her grandparents Michael and Mary Ryan. In 1871 Ellen is in Dukinfield with her mother Harriet and sister Frances. John doesn't appear anywhere. I'm assuming his date of birth from Nancy Ellen's birth (1860 in Stockport) and his wife's Harriet in about 1831 in Manchester.

this is for ref:: 1871 View Record Ellen Hadfield abt 1863 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter Dukinfield Lancashire View Record Frances Hadfield abt 1867 Stockport, Cheshire, England Daughter Dukinfield Lancashire View Record Harriet Hadfield abt 1831 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head Dukinfield Lancashire right family?? states harriet as Unmarried, (occ cotton reeler) Julie

That's the source I have. BUT if she is unmarried how come Nancy Ellen's father has the same name as her? and as her mother? If so, where is John in 1841 1851 1861....etc? I've been stuck on this for a while.

hiya, i know it doesnt help but what if she just took husbands name for children without actually being married to him, ie lived in sin but passed herself off as married, it did happen, did you find harriet living with parents on 1841 cen? julie

me again, if this is grandparents doubtful if harriet is theirs, according to marys dob she was born 1834 View Record Mary Ryan abt 1834 Ireland Wife Manchester Lancashire View Record Michael Ryan abt 1815 Ireland Head Manchester Lancashire this is 71 cen julie

could you post the 1861 that you have with ellen and gparents please? julie

I'm a little confused. If Nancy Ellen was born in 1863 how did you find her in 1861? Linda

1861 Census Carlisle street, Stockport, Parish Cheadle Buckley Michael Ryan, abt 1787, b. Ireland, Head Mary Ryan, abt 1793, Bolton, Lancashire, England, Wife Sarah Ann Hadfield, abt 1858 b. Bolton, Lancashire, England, Granddaughter Ellen Hadfield, abt 1860 b. Stockport, Cheshire, England, Granddaughter Was given this by a GenesReunited lookup. What's happening?

As for the 1871 Census giving her as born in 1863, I think this must have been wrong. See why I'm confused?

Found Michael and Mary in 1851 Match Quality View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Edward Magone abt 1816 Brinkburn, Cheshire, England Lodger Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire View Record Mary Ryan abt 1793 Balton, Lancashire, England Wife Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire View Record Michael Ryan abt 1789 Ireland Head Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire View Record Michael Ryan abt 1833 Cheadle, Cheshire, England Son Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire Linda

this is 61 cen View Record Ellen Hadfield abt 1860 Stockport, Cheshire, England Granddaughter Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire View Record Sarah Ann Hadfield abt 1858 Bolton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire View Record Mary Ryan abt 1793 Bolton, Lancashire, England Wife Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire View Record Michael Ryan abt 1787 Ireland Head Cheadle Bulkeley Cheshire now i know that ages can differ abit in cen, but this is a puzzle and a half, think we'd better go back to scratch an dtry and find Nancys birth, then we'll have something to get our teeth into Julie

this is 41 census View Record Mary Ryan abt 1796 Cheadle Cheshire View Record Michael Ryan abt 1791 Ireland Cheadle Cheshire View Record Michl Ryan Junr. abt 1833 Cheshire, England Cheadle Cheshire View Record Willm Ryan abt 1826 Cheshire, England Cheadle Cheshire Julie

This is really trying. I can't believe the census can be out by thirty or forty years. I'd just like to say too, that unfortunately I don't have Nancy's birth certificate. That would help a lot I know.

Had a thought Perhaps Harriets maiden name was Hadfield. Then perhaps John Ryan was the father of Ellen and Frances, but they never married, therefore making Michael and Mary the Grandparents. Linda

could this be her birth?? no middle name though Name: Nancy Hadfield Year of Registration: 1860 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Stockport County: Cheshire, Lancashire Volume: 8a Page: 8 Julie found this one as well, just to confuse the issue Name: Ellen Hadfield Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Stockport County: Cheshire, Lancashire Volume: 8a Page: 56 ho hum

if i were you i'd order cert but with harriet as ref check, then youd have something to go on, perhaps a search of reversed names may help ie harriet hadfield/ john ryan just ta thought Julie

Julie, that look right. I'm going to order it and see who is named as parents. Linda, where does John Ryan come from? On Nancy Ellen's marriage certificate her father is definitely named asJohn Hadfield. Thanks to both of you for helping out. I'll have to take some time out to think again and get back to you if thats alright. Thanks once again very much Jane

jane please see updated birth entry i found 2, one nancy one ellen Julie