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Thanks F.C Thanks Elaine but how could this be the james m henderson it says born 1897 died 1899 or are you refering to the father as the one that married florence. In a way i really hope this is them,BUT in a way not i found this info ages a go and dissmissed it because of the birth and death dates for james m henderson the child ( i thought this could not be him because of the B-D dates) thankyou Tracey

FC........... I just explained to Tracey that there was a CHANCE that James M was born in Scotland !!!!!!!! I think you have found the man who married Florence Monday ! What's the betting they married in Scotland as well !!!!!!! WELL DONE ... fingers crossed this is HIM ! or the next son !..just read it again ! Elaine ;-)

This might be worth looking into!!!! Maybe they had a second child and called him by the same name??? Have you tried Scotland for birth and Marriage?? James McLean Henderson Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 06 NOV 1897 Craigbank, , , Scotland Christening: Death: JAN 1899 Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: James Henderson Family Mother: Christina Hutchison

Elaine, Sorry not got back to you sooner. I'm working on two computors at the moments work and play Try www.nationarchives.gov.uk then click onto links it's abit messy but search can be done, don't no wether a result can be found anythings possible. Jennifer.

So in 1949 Benjamin's Marriage cert states Father: James McLean Henderson (Deceased). So this is where the death comes to light. Maybe the marriage certificate between Florence Henderson & Frank Hardcastle would state whether Florence is a WIDOW or not ? Has anyone got this certificate ? I'll be back tomorrow to pick up the trail again. Elaine ;-)

elaine,, benjamin got married in halifax west yorks to a mary thorne nee graydon.1949 tracey

Tracey, His MARRIAGE cert (Benjamin's) gives BOTH parents names ? where did he get married !! ? I can see what your saying about the change in occ ... but to be quite honest, it's not a DRASTIC change, nothing I would be VERY concerned about. Stoker and Fireman are just about the same job or so I have always thought ... I COULD be wrong. A Stoker, keeps the Fires stoked for the engines ... a Fire Man keeps the Fires going for the engines ... hope someone can give an accurate account of BOTH occ's ! Elaine ;-)

hi again elaine. i have got the marrage cert of benjamin thomas henderson, states, parents florence henderson-james mclean henderson. occ-fireman s.s.gulfport merchant navy. a slight change in the occ you will see. tracey

Thanks for that Tracey x Have either of you got the actual marriage certificates ... or is all this info, passed down from family/relatives ? Just wondering how much has been confirmed aloing the way. (I'm not convinced about the James J Henderson who died in 1940), YET !

elaine. her second marriage is to a frank hardcastle 1924 she had these children to him irene hardcastle 1924c richard hardcastle 1926 joyce hardcastle 1925. third marriage was to a john fairbank not to be cofused with fairbanks she had these children to him. jean 1930 ursula 1935. tracey

Thanks Jennifer, Got myself really comfused there for a min.

FC. Tracey has the birth certificate for the 2 nd son Benjamin Thomas Henderson. His father is registered James McLean Henderson Mother Florence Henderson nee Monday So far we have: James M Henderson reg March 1921 Halifax Benjamin Thomas Henderson Dec 1922 Both have mothers maiden name : Monday. on the index ..... BUT are they actually brothers or is it just a coincidence ? One or BOTH of you should get the certificate for James M Henderson ...... just to make sure that he is a BROTHER of Benjamin. I have checked ( as have others) for a marriage between James Henderson & Florence Monday from 1911 - 1920 and 1921 - 1925 ... nothing. Girls: Where does the second marriage for Florence come into it ? Do you KNOW for a fact she is YOUR Florence ????? did she have children that you KNOW about - your relatives ? Elaine ;-)

i dont have the cert tracey may have it.

Hi Fiona I think Tracey said on Benjiman Thomas B/M certs, James Henderson registered to be the father not (REG) the name. Jennifer

hi fiona am not sure i have got james henderson has the father. sarah

Sarah/Tracey, Do either of you have the Birth certificate for James Mclean Henderson(the son) born 1921??

Tracey said that on Benjamins Henderson's birth certificate is father is Reg, same on marriage certificate. On which certificate does it say his name is James Mclean please??? Also is it just Reg or Reginald?

Hi Jennifer, Yes, corrected that...........got Joseph on the brain at the moment!! Fiona

Fiona Sarah/Tracey relative is James not Joseph Jennifer

Hi Sarah and Tracey, It would seem that James is ment to have died while the boys were too young to remember him..........yes? There is another possibilty..........James didn't die, they would be the first children that were told one of their parents had died when in fact they hadn't. Regards Fiona.