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Hi, these are the details from Susan, who thinks we may be related through Boothbys. Can anyone help her find her relations and possibly see a link??? Thanks, Laura x Alice Carlill 17 12 1898 at gainsborough her mum was elizabeth carlill no fathers name she always thought she was born 21 5 1900 On Alice Carlill’s marriage cert her father is named as John William Boothby deceased, she married 1921 in sculcoates, Hull Yorkshire. on another marr cert ive got a john william Boothby [keelman age 27 marrying annie Elizabeth carlill age 25 in Hull 1908 , Williams father was george Boothby [deceased]also a keelman I have this… 1881 census george boothby 1834 with wife charlotte on the boat mizpah with 6 of his children also1881 george boothby age 34 br horncastle with wife elizabeth on the keelboat; Harold also1881 charles boothbyage 30 it says br newcastle? (Horncastle) with wife sarah 24 Hull (LAURAS FAMILY)

The Alice Carlill whose marriage cert gives John William Boothby as her father's name must be the daughter of Annie Elizabeth Carlill who married John William Boothby, though whether he was her biological father or just step-father I'm not sure, but whether she is the same Alice Carlill whose birth details you give at the beginning isn't clear, as you say she thought she had a different birthdate and the mother's name doesn't exactly match. Kate.

Sorry, just went for my tea! Yes, I dont think he was her real father as he married her mum years later. Can you find the correct John Boothby? Its really hard to work out. Or her mum on earlier census? Found the Carlills on 1901 living with a man, mum was the servant for him and the daughter also lived there. Cant spot her before that. Laura x

Hi Laura, Who was Annie Elizabeth Carlill's father on the marriage certificate?

I think Susan said Thomas, does that add up? Laura x

1901 census Alice Carlill abt 1899 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Boarder Gainsborough Lincolnshire Elizabeth Carlill abt 1879 Lincolnshire, England Servant Gainsborough Lincolnshire Albert Evans abt 1879 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Head Gainsborough Lincolnshire xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx just a possible Carlill, Elizabeth 1876 June Births Lincoln Lincolnshire

Thanks, I've mailed Susan to ask about the fathers name. L x

Its strange that Alice thought she was 2 years older than she was, what do you think about that?

This looks very much the couple from 1901 Blythman, Frances Elizabeth 1901 June Marriages Gainsborough Lincolnshire Nottinghamshire Carlill, Elizabeth 1901 June Marriages Gainsborough Lincolnshire Nottinghamshire Drury, John William 1901 June Marriages Gainsborough Lincolnshire Nottinghamshire Evans, Albert Edward 1901 June Marriages Gainsborough Lincolnshire Nottinghamshire

This Thomas Carlill has daughters Annie and Elizabeth. 1891 England Census Carlill, Annie abt 1878 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Catherine abt 1855 Stamford, Lincolnshire, England Wife Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Catherine abt 1888 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Elizabeth abt 1876 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Frederick abt 1886 Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England Son Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Henry abt 1884 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Son Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Jane abt 1874 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Sophia abt 1882 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Daughter Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Thomas abt 1849 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Head Gainsborough Lincolnshire Carlill, Thomas abt 1880 Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Son Gainsborough Lincolnshire

Thomas and family in 1881, The only Thomas Carlill I can find in Lincolnshire. 1881 England Census Annie Carlill abt 1879 Lincoln, England Daughter 8 Lark Lane, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Catherine Carlill abt 1856 Stamford, Lincoln, England Wife 8 Lark Lane, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Edward Carlill abt 1870 Lincoln, England Son 8 Lark Lane, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Elizabeth Carlill abt 1877 Lincoln, England Daughter 8 Lark Lane, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Jane Carlill abt 1875 Lincoln, England Daughter 8 Lark Lane, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England Thomas Carlill abt 1849 Lincoln, England Head 8 Lark Lane, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England

The families in the census look right. she married in 1908 to John W Boothby as Annie Elizabeth, even though on daughters birth she was Elizabeth. Its more the Boothbys that are the problem, John's dad was george Boothby, couldnt see a John with a father George. L x

Just clicked on to what you mean Jim, looks like she married the boss!!! So she was Elizabeth in census, daughters birth and first marriage, wonder why it was Annie in 1908 marriage? Especially as her sister was Annie. The Annies year of birth matches better to the Boothby marriage and its the right first name.

This John's Parents are George and Charlotte. 1881 England Census Alice Boothby abt 1866 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England Amelia Boothby abt 1868 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England Charlotte Boothby abt 1833 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England George Boothby abt 1834 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England John Boothby abt 1879 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England Joseph Boothby abt 1872 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England Louise Boothby abt 1877 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England Robert Boothby abt 1874 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England James Kinnersley abt 1861 Lincoln, Lincoln, England Unknown 'Mizpah', Vessels, Yorkshire, England

Those Boothbys fit in with the Keelman theory, on boats and would put John in Yorkshire, probably Hull for his marriage. L x

Laura - I really think there are two different families of Carlills here. As I said before, the Alice Carlill whose birth details you gave may not be the same one whose marriage cert you quoted. Having seen all the rest of the data people have found, I think the answer to your question about why Alice's mother sometimes called herself Annie and sometimes Elizabeth could be because they are two completely different people! If Annie / Elizabeth Carlill married Albert Evans and then married John Boothby, her name would have been Annie / Elizabeth Evans on the registration of the second marriage. What was Annie's marital status when she married John Boothby? As for John Boothby, I'll have a look now and see if I can find anything. (As you can probably tell, I'm getting confused between Annie and Elizabeth now!) Kate.

Looks as though the John Boothby above will be the right one, as I have found this birth on FreeBMD: Births Dec 1879 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Boothby John William Lincoln 7a 521 but Susan should get the certificate and see if the mother's name was Charlotte to see if the family on the 1881 census is the right one. Especially as there is also this one, although the age on the marriage certificate doesn't match: Births Sep 1883 ------------------------------------------------------------------ BOOTHBY John William Sculcoates 9d 124 Kate.

And just to really confuse matters, look at this: Marriages Mar 1908 --------------------------------------------------------------------- BOOTHBY John William Sculcoates 9d 202 EMERSON Henry Sculcoates 9d 202 HARVEY Ada Sculcoates 9d 202 ROBINSON Alice Maude Sculcoates 9d 202 In the previous quarter to the John William Boothby / Annie Carlill marriage (also at Sculcoates)! By the way, you are certain her name is given as Annie Elizabeth on the marriage cert, aren't you, because according to FreeBMD it is just Annie Carlill on the index: Marriages Jun 1908 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Boothby John William Sculcoates 9d 408 CARLILL Annie Sculcoates 9d 408 Harrison Abraham Sculcoates 9d 408 REVELL Kate Sculcoates 9d 408 Kate.

I have looked at the marriage on 1837 in 1908 and it does say Annie Elizabeth. The definite stuff is.... Alices marriage certificate as it is to Susans grandad, so her father is definitely given as John Boothby. Thats it really I suppose. Have mailed Susan again to see how old Alice was when she married to check the birth details are correct. If Alice was born 1898 that makes her mum 15! If you also go by the marriage to John Boothby. Will look for alternative births for Alice, thanks for all your help, Laura xxx