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hello again to anyone!!! please please please!!!!!!if you have time, can you find HELEN STEWART WATT or even WILLIAM LENNOX WATT on the 1891 Manchester census. Regards Val

Happy new year!!!!! to anyone looking on this thread!!! I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that someone may still be able to pass on some advice to me!!!! lol Val

I cant sleep!!! I still cant get anywhere with this family woe is me!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE Val

Hi again Thanks Elaine I will be off line in 10 mins myself, and then back at about 9, I look forward to hearing from you with your suggestions!!. I WILL BE SO GRATEFUL!!!! Yes Zoe on the 1881 census he was living with his parents William 35, and Jessie 36, at 2 Castle Street in Brechin Forfar, aged 14, he had 2 sisters, Helen 10 and Annie 6months, and 4 brothers, David 7, Alexander 6, James 4, and John 2 Can you tell me please, how I go about finding something like that out?!!! Val

I dont have the birth certificate for Helen, but on her death certificate it says Helen Stewart Watt. and on Lilians birth cert says Helen Stewart Watt confused or what!!!

Val, Is William & his family still in Scotland in the 1881? It may be worth contacting a local history society near Forfar and asking for there assistance - it may eb that they know of someone whp's already attempted to untangle your Watt family. Or they may be able to suggest where William would be working as a printer and whether records exist. I'd start to think out of the normal processes on this on in hope that going around the houses will lead you in by the back door. Zoe

I'm just nipping out ... but when I come back I'll have a closer look ... see if a fresh pair of eyes and ears can help at all. Elaine :-)

What is Lilian's mothers name exactly as given on the birth cert and age?

you need help!!!!!!! what about poor old me? I'm demented!!!! maybe the whole of Forfar where Watts!!!! I hope its not intermarrying, kissing cousins etc! regards Val

Hi again Tricia and Zoe I have no proof of the marriage between William and Helen! He was born 24 Jan 1866, and on the 1881 census I have a William Lennox Watt, born that time in Forfar, age 14 an apprentice printer.!!!! I have no death for him. No havent traced William back to 1891, cant even find Helen then!! I wonder who else I can confuse, if you looked up the rest of the family you'ld jump in a lake!!!! HELP!!!!!!! regards Val

Do you have marriage details of Helen and William or do you know age/birthplace of William. There are hundreds on 1881 and he may be dead by 1891. If she was married to this William Watt how can her father be John Watt - were they all called Watt or What?? Need help.

I'm confused too. John Watt can't be dead in 1881 and alive in 1891 - that's the wrong way round. Needs a bit of sorting out,I think. Would 73 be the correct age for John Watt if he were alive in 1891?

Valerie have you traced William Lennox Watt back to 1891? Helen would most certainly have been pregnant at the timeof this census so he should be around somewhere Zoe

Hi Tricia yes I have Lilians birth certificate. As well as the details you have, her fathers name is down as, William Lennox Watt, a newspaper compositor. I think that Stewart was her second given (Christian name) The woman I believe to be her maternal grandmothers maiden name. John Watt (who is supposed to have died in 1876) and Margaret Akin where Helens parents. Apart from Helen they had 3 other children. I found on the 1881 census Margaret, as a widow, (head) at 7 West Abbey St, Arbroath, living with her other children they where James B aged 31, Sarah E aged 24, and Alexander aged 18. Her maternal grandparents where, Hugh Akin and Margaret Stewart.!! Unless I have the wrong family her mother was the widow!! So now I'm even more confused!! HELP regards Val

This certificate may solve a mystery Name: Watt, Lilian Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1891 District: Chorlton County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 933 (click to see others on page)

Have you got Lilian's birth certificate???

on the 1891 she is with her father (a widow) and listed as single. I read into it that the family they were with was her sister (she's also born Scotland) and that even tho she says in teh 1901 she was widowed she wasnt really and she was just hiding having a child out of wedlock hence having teh same name. Or - it could be totally the worng person My heads spinning now - I think I need a lie down

Could she be under her maiden name on 1881 - I won't assume it is Stewart but if Lilian was only child she may well not be married in 1881. Why is she single in 1891 but widowed in 1901 with the same name?? or am I having a woolly moment.

Sorry Zoe, It must be the time of year, I missed the date when reading your message, or i'm blind as a bat!!!! Many thanks for your help Merry Christmas Val

Val - added date to the reply sorry - I was having a waffle hour - you know - when your brain goes all woolly