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Sam, Searching after the 1901 census is probably more difficult than before. The census are subject to 100 years privacy so the next won't be available until 2011. You can search for births online at 1837 but without forenames or approximate dates of birth it would be very difficult to pinpoint any Hart births as your own. The same goes for deaths..unless you have an approximate date. Tracing births in France is also very difficult and I know nothing about that subject LOL! There is someone who uses these boards, I can't remember his name, unfortunately, who does know the process for attempting to trace genealogy in France, you could always put a message out to that effect. There are also electoral rolls which can be checked for your names post 1901 and these are held at libraries, I have never carried out an electoral register search and I'm not sure whether these are listed by name or address...but there will be someone here who does know. I'm sorry to be of no help all I can suggest is that you put a query on here asking for some ideas on searching post 1901. Emma.

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Hi Emma, Would like to find out how she got to England, parents names etc, and where she lived and when she died. Did she have any more children, we know that she had a few then married a John Hart - then I lose track of her after the 1901 census. Sam

Sam, I searched for Pauline born France! What other information are you looking for? Emma.

HI Emma, Wow...thanks! Never found that before - how did you search and get that result? Will have a look now and pass it on to my mother.(who was a Misy!) Anything else? Sam

Sam, Think this is Pauline in 1891: Thomas Harvey, head mar, 33, stockbroker, Scotland Lucie E Harvey, wife, mar, 27, Middx Irene M Harvey, daur, sing, 3, Surrey Thornton Alice Olive?, sing, 21, Surrey Selhurst Pauline Misly, (looks likes Misey on schedule), sing, 16, housemaid, Boulogne France at 58 Meahsam? Manor Road, Croydon, Surrey Emma.

To all!!, Thanks for all your help so far - I'll try tie in all the info to what I already have, and start ordering some certificates. Sam

Martin Just read thru and noted query about change in childrens names. I was adopted and when that happend both my first and surname were changed by my adoptees! Gerry

Sam, Actually, Paul and George maybe in the same household.. looking back to 2 children.. same census place & county. So my guess is that all 4 are in the same house hold.. the only way to find out is to pay to view to see who lives with Pauline & John Hart. Sorry for not able to help you more there.

Hi Tracey, I dont know - we only found out that William wasnt an orphan last year! Maybe the children kept the surname Misy - and they would be in the same household? Would love to find out what happened to the family, who we never knew existed - george/paul/ pauline /john and any others there may be out there. I know the offspring of William - who became William Thomas VINCENT Misy (named presumably after the childrens home he was brought up in) Is there anything else we can look for? Sam

Sam, I presume that they've had more children AFTER the 1901 census was taken, hence not showing any one else in the household.

I've took a peek and used the decoder.. There are only two of them in the same household.. Forename(s) Lastname Age PRO Age Year Born Where Born Census Place Census County Occupation Piece (RG13/) Folio Pauline HART 26 26 1875 France Acton Middlesex Laundress N/A N/A John HART 29 29 1872 Ireland Acton Middlesex Navvy N/A N/A

Just found Pauline Hart(presume nee Misy) on the 1901 census - details as follows Pauline Hart 26 France Middlesex Acton Laundress . Is there any way of working out who was in the household and where it was on the same census? Sam

I too took a look at the 1901 census.. and it sure does say George & Paul aged the same as William and George.. that was a bit of puzzle there. I think they may have changed names OR they've been "adopted" to change the surname .. like my partner he had to be adopted in order to have his surname to be the same as his step-father's. My best bet is to obtain the certs and see if they've added a note or something like they did with my partner's own cert. I'll check out something as I have part of 1901 census images for Paddington.. and seeing one person was born there, he maybe on the census that I have. Tracy

one strange thing is on the 1901 census(I dont have full access) if you enter MISY and male search there is george there age 5, but not William - instead there is a Paul age 7(which would make him the same age as William) although like I said William was brought up as a orphan at St Vincents I think it was called, by the nuns. Would these children have had their name changed to Hart when their mother married? Would this have been registered/ documented? How do I find out census details for them ? Thanks for all your help Sam

Sam, These info I gave you... with Page and Vol numbers on it... which means that you can actually order the certificate and put those Vol & Page number for the registrar to find it easily ... they cost £7 each and like Margaret in Burton said... Try the website she left .. you can order it online there too. If you order it and receives it.. you should have the parents names on it. Tracy

Hi Tracey, Yes - that is my great grandfather - his mother was Pauline from France, and we have no idea who his father is, or why he(William) was put into a home, or when - he was brought up an orphan, but actually had a mother, brothers and a step father.....would love to find out the circumstances! Maybe with some more info...a story will evolve. Thanks fo your help, and look forward to you finding more! Sam

Don't know if these people related to your MISY Name: Misy, William Thomas Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1893 District: Marylebone County: London Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 604 Name: Misy, George Ernest Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1895 District: Paddington County: London Volume: 1a Page: 7 Tracy

Hi Margaret, Yes - tried Missy, Missi, Mizzi etc etc....any searches I do seem to bring up the computer termionology of "misys", other wise the slang missy. Wonder how I find out about french/ english immigration record for that time. Sam

The info from Tracy is the code number that you need to order the marriage certifcate from the GRO It will cost £7 and you can order online from http://www(.)col(.)statistics(.)gov(.)uk remove brackets Margaret