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Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 23 Sep 2007 21:48

Please can anyone help me.She married my great grandfather William Crane and they had one child also called William.I have found William and Jessie Crane listed on the 1901 census when they were both 29.Both according to the census born in Wansworth.However I can not find any further mention of Jessie in any of the earlier censuses.

I suppose the only thing I can do is apply to Wandsworth Surrey for her birth certificate. Any other suggestions??

Thank you

Elizabeth

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Sep 2007 21:52

Is this the family in 1901? Just for ref.........

Name: Jessie Crane
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Handsworth, London, England

Civil Parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Fulham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Jessie Crane 29
William Crane 29 b. Handsworth
William Crane 1 b. Fulham

When did William and Jessie marry?

Reg

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 23 Sep 2007 21:59

Reggie

yes that is the one. the problem is that I don't know when they were married.

Elizabeth

Porkie_Pie

Porkie_Pie Report 23 Sep 2007 21:59

Do you have their marriage cert?

Roy

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:00

Is this their marriage? Was she married before?

Ozi.

Marriages Sep 1897
Crane William Edward Wandsworth 1d 1302
Duce Helen Wandsworth 1d 1302
Singleton Henry Edward Wandsworth 1d 1302
Wood Jessie Wandsworth 1d 1302

Sam

Sam Report 23 Sep 2007 22:02

Where have you had her maiden name from, do you have the birth cert of one of their children? If so, does it give any indication of her being married before?

Sam x

Sam

Sam Report 23 Sep 2007 22:02

If she was WOOD rather than Welfare, this could be her in 1891:

Name: Jessie Wood
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Chas E Abercrombie 13
Edward Abercrombie 48
Emma Abercrombie 48
Elizabeth Roberts 29
Jessie Wood 19 - she was single and a servant

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Sep 2007 22:03

There is only one marriage in Wandsworth of WilliamCrane to Jessie

Crane William Edward Wandsworth 1d 1302
Duce Helen Wandsworth 1d 1302
Singleton Henry Edward Wandsworth 1d 1302
Wood Jessie Wandsworth 1d 1302


And this 1891 census entry looks like the lady in question

Name: Jessie Wood
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Did you get her surname from a child's birth cert?

Reg

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 23 Sep 2007 22:03

No I don't. That is the problem

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:03

But I can't find her in 1881 yet.

Ozi.

Sam

Sam Report 23 Sep 2007 22:04

No you don't what? Have the marriage cert or a birth cert of one of her children? Where have you had the name Welfare from?

Sam x

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:05

~~~~ No I don't ~~~~~is answering which question?

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:07

It all becomes clearer now!

1881:
Name: Jesse Wood
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Esther
Gender: Female
Where born: Wandsworth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 33 Malva Road

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Esther Welfare 61
Thomas Welfare 33 - stepson
Charles Welfare 27 - stepson
Caroline Wood 37 - stepdaughter
Jesse Wood 9 - looks like daughter, but can't be sure

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 23 Sep 2007 22:11

Sam You may have something the maiden name has been given by word of mouth and perhaps it is wrong.

I think I will try and obtain the large birth certificate of my grandfather I have the little one but of course it doesn't tell me much

Thankyou

Sam

Sam Report 23 Sep 2007 22:13

I think Ozibird has already solved the puzzle...

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:16

1871:
Name: Esther Wellfare
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Where born: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 33 Malva Rd

Occupation: on Parish Relief

Condition as to marriage: widow


Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
Esther Wellfare 52
Charles Wellfare 19 - son; Monitor School
Emily Wellfare 8 - grandaughter; scholar

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 23 Sep 2007 22:17

Ozibird

You are a star.

Perhaps she took the name Welfare as it sounded more interesting than Wood!!

I will organise the birth certificate and see what that comes up with

Thank you Elizabeth

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:19

1861:
Name: Esther Welfare
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: 4 Grove Cottages

Occupation:

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
George Welfare 42 - coachman servant
Esther Welfare 39
Caroline Welfare 18 - house servant
William Welfare 13 - scholar
Charles Welfare 9 - scholar

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:21

Marriages Sep 1867
CONACHER Adam Wandsworth 1d 750
JESSUP Sarah Ann Wandsworth 1d 750
...>>>WELFARE Caroline Wandsworth 1d 750
...>>>Wood Alfred Wandsworth 1d 750


Ozibird

Ozibird Report 23 Sep 2007 22:26

1871: Living/boarding/lodging??? with a Rogers family.
Name: Caroline Wood
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Alfred
Gender: Female
Where born: Clapham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth All Saints
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 17 Malva Rd

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Wood 27 - labourer
Caroline Wood 28
George Wood 2
Alfred Wood 3