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RIght, I'm giving up for the night... I'll check back in the morning.

Thanks for your help so far,

Sheena x

I've finally bitten the bullet and ordered the marriage cert for John and Lydia!

I cannot bare the tension no more from these pair, I have got to find out where the name starts/finishes.

Thank you all kindly for your help, will let you know what I get from the cert when it arrives.

Have the marriage cert for John and Lydia!!!

John's father is named as George Frost Smith (I cannot make out a hyphen in there if there is one)

Both John and George's professions are stated as boiler makers.

It's hard for me to make out the information on this cert, but under residence at time of marriage it looks like Bromley, and neither had been married before which is a huge relief.

So now I am looking for them John in 1871 census and backward... can anyone help?

Thanks in advance

I think I've found him in 1871:

Name: John Smith
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 5 Paris Terrace

Occupation: boiler maker

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 322
Household Members: Name Age
James Chadwick 45
Elizabeth Graham 35
Elizabeth Graham 7
Caroline Jefferson 26
Henry Jefferson 1 4 months
Kate Jefferson 19
Rebbecca Jefferson 62
Rebecca Jefferson 22
Rebecca Jefferson 6
William Jefferson 40
William Jefferson 31
William Jefferson 4

Mary Smith 50 - lodger, married, laundress, Swanwick, Derbyshire
John Smith 18

As the relationship for both is lodger, we can't be sure they're related to each other.