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Please Please can anyone help? I am searching for two ladies both born in the 1830s but from my information and Census searching not from the same family but possibly connected.(Cousins) Well Maybe? Matilda was born in the 1830s Deptford (I have her in the 1841 Census)but I really need to find her in the 1851 Census. Can anyone help with this one please. Sometime in the 1850s she married my Great Great Grandfather William Whitehead. William can be found in the 1851 Census unmarried a Soldier in the R/A Liverpool. (Born about 1819/21 Falkirk Stirlingshire)Matilda died in Woolwich 1866. Ok Amelia Plant also born 1830s County Kerry Ireland also married William Whitehead in Woolwich sometime between 1866 until her death aged 40 years in Woolwich 1879. I am not able to find Amelia in any Census before 1871. So far no Marriage Refs have been found for either of the Plant ladies to William Whitehead. William Whitehead retired from the R/A about 1866 and continued to reside in Woolwich until his death. If anyone can help with my Plant ladies it would be so greatly appreciated. There are three of us searching down this path with no success so far. All Genes members.

Thankyou

Regards Marion

if you cannot find any marriages refs, how do you know where they married?

Do you have birth certs for their children?

hanging onto this -in case you havent

Marriages Sep 1850

Bowlin Edward Lewisham 5 342
Duke Rebecca Lewisham 5 342
HUNT Harriett Lewisham 5 342
Merriman Thomas Lewisham 5 342
Moore Henry Thomas Lewisham 5 342
WHITEHEAD William Lewisham 5 342
Wybourn Amelia Lewisham 5 342
Young Catherine Forbes Lewisham 5 342
Young Katharine Forbes Lewisham 5 342
Young Katherine For___ Lewisham 5 342

this couple in 1851 = Class: HO107; Piece: 1622; Folio: 26; Page: 3; GSU roll: 193523.

1841 for ref
Name: Matilda Plant
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: St Paul
Hundred: Deptford Town
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: St Paul Deptford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Plant 20
Mary Plant 3
Matilda Plant 35
Matilda Plant 8
William Plant 45
William Plant 11




June x

1871 for William & Amelia. Eldest child born Ireland therefore they could well have married there. Note William is born Kent & there is a name correction.


1871 England Census
about William Whitehouse
Name: William Whitehouse
[William Whitehead]
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Amelia
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England

Civil parish: Woolwich St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Whitehouse 11
Alexander Whitehouse 4
Amelia Whitehouse 31
Maria Whitehouse 13
Robert Whitehouse 2
Sarah Whitehouse 6
Sophia Whitehouse 8
William Whitehouse 51

Hello Minnie and thankyou for your help. I do have Birth Certs for my Great Great Grandfathers Children. Joseph Alexander born 1866 Mothers name Matilda maiden name Plant. Louisa Georgina born 1874. Both Joseph and Louisa were born at Mulgrove Place Woolwich. Joseph,s Mother was Matilda and Louisa,s Mother was Amelia. Matilda died in 1866 and Amelia in 1879 both in Woolwich.

I was rather Interested in the name of Young you found for the marriages as Maria Whitehead married a Young. I still would like to find Matilda in the 1851 Census. Thankx for your help Minnie.
Regards Marion in OZ

Thankyou for joining in Claire and June. Yes they are mine and I have this already. My Great Great Grandfather was born in Falkirk Stirlingshire and not Woolwich although he did live in Woolwich for a number of years and also died there. I have his Royal Artillery Records and they clearly state he was born in Scotland.

Regards Marion

June have you been able to find Matilda for 1851? I have searched and searched but nothing.

Regards Marion

Claire yes you could be correct at William and Matilda for a possible marriage in Ireland as the three oldest children of theirs were born there. But William must have married Amelia in Woolwich sometime around 1866. I sometimes wonder if these two ladies were indeed sisters? Its strange one is born in Ireland and the other in Deptford.

Will I ever get to the bottom of this?

Marionx

ps I will check in tomorrow as its bed time for me. Goodnight.

I'd say she was possibly in Ireland if supposition is the other marriage took place there AND that they are possibly related

I am not convinced that the Matilda on the 1841 is the correct one. She was born c1833 whereas the one who died in 1866 was born c1838.
Looking at the 1871 census this family is living next door to the Whiteheads

Joseph Plant
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Marie
Gender: Male
Where born: Pape of Good Hope

Civil Parish: Woolwich St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 55
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Coss 19 lodger
Eliza Harold 35 lodger
Joseph Plant 59 Pensioner
Louisa Plant 9 daughter b Woolwich
Marie Plant 55 (Maria) b Woolwich

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 784; Folio: 65; Page: 12; GSU roll: 827740.

Going on the names of William's children I would guess that these are his in-laws.

As to the marriage - it was illegal to marry your dead wife's sister at that time and some couples went abroad to marry where it was perfectly legal.

Andy

1861 for what Andy found

Name: Joseph Plant
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Cape Goor Hope Bh Subject

Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 183
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Plant 17
George Plant 12
Joseph Plant 44
Maria Plant 46
William E Plant 14


all born Ireland

June x

Hello Lady, maybe William Whitehead was Amelia's second husband...if so we would be looking for a different name at the time of the marriage to him.

But for the childrens birth certificates her maiden name would of course be Plant.So perhaps we should be looking for William married to Amelia ???? in the time frame you mention.Back to the census and see what we can find for her.

Sheila

I do hope someone is awake and reading this nudged thread of mine. All of the above is correct but I believe due to the age of Amelia when she married my Great Great Grandfather which would be in her 30s I would think this was a second marriage for them both. Can anyone help list the marriages from 1866 to 1879 Greenwich/Woolwich for William Whitehead to an Amelia? Any surname.

Thanks All.

Regards Marion

freebmd is showing NO marriages between 1868 and 1879 for Woolwich nor for 1866 to 1879 for Greenwich.


NOtE:- records at Woolwich only started in September 1869



BUT you can check these all yourself by going to www.freebmd.org.uk ...... it's a free site!



sylvia

There is however this marriage of a William Whitehead and an Amelia in June quarter 1879 ....... but in Dewsbury????


Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)

Rhodes Amelia Dewsbury 9b 877
Whitehead William Dewsbury 9b 877


I'm not very clear why you are so certain that the marriage took place in Woolwich.



sylvia

Thankyou Sylvie,
From my understanding William and Amelia never left Mulgrove Place which is in Woolwich.

Regards Marion