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Sylvia,
Thank you so much for your time. If you helpers on here cann't find them i don't suppose I ever will know about them before 1871.I have been searching for a while and could not get anywhere. I had a couple of hours today and thought I definately needed help.
Thanks again for everything.
Regards Mary

i'm stuck!


no-one is appearing any which way!

I can't understand why we can't find any of them anywhere

............... unless a) there has been a gross mis-transcription of Hayman (and I am searching on christian names only at the moment!!),

or b) they changed their name for some reason?????


sylvia

Hi,
I cann't understand why Thomas and Samuel are not to be found unless like you said under another surname.
Mary

I did wonder about that one myself.

and .......... John Hayman with wife Ann does not appear on the 1871 census when we have John Hayman and wife Jane!



so that is suspicious in and of itself.


But I then started looking for a marriage!



sylvia

Hi June
Sorry the only info I have on John and Jane is what is on the 1871 census.I know that there were Haymans from Pontesbury but we don't think they belonged to the same family.
Mary

Could jane be Jane ann

Name: Jane Hayman
Spouse: John
Birth: abt 1819 - Minsterley, Shropshire, England


Name: Ann Hayman
Spouse: John
Birth: abt 1819 - Pontesbury, Shropshire, England



June x

Hi Sylvia, On the 1881 census it just says he was born Montgomery. I suppose he could have changed fro coal to lead mining. I cann't find the children on the earlier census.
Mary

Hi Sylvia,
I too have just been searching but to no avail.Felt a fool when you mentioned boys birthplace. Sorry but i do not know any more only what is on the 1871 census.All i have been told of this family is they lived in a cottage out in the middle of nowhere and thought it may have been too remote for the census to have been taken.
Regards Mary

This guy is a Coal Miner???

I wonder?????????


1851 Census

Name: John Hayman
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Westbury, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Pontesbury
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Atcham
Sub-registration district: Condover
ED, institution, or vessel: 2f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Hayman 28
John Hayman 33
Martha Hayman 10



sylvia

I cannot see them on an earlier census ... and I have been playing around with using no names, etc etc etc.


Do you know when they got married?

Could it be a late marriage, and the boys be Jane's?


sylvia

Hi Sylvia
Thank you for that . I think I have just done too much today.
Kind REgards Mary

for reference

1871 Census

Name: John Hayman
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Chirbury, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Worthen
Ecclesiastical parish: Hope
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Forden
Sub-registration district: Chirbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Hayman 52 b.ca 1819
John Hayman 56
Samuel Hayman 17 b.ca 1854, Worthen, Shropshire
Thomas Hayman 20 b.ca 1851, Worthen
Margreat Temlings 13 Servant



The boys' birthplace gives an idea of where to look in 1851!!!!


sylvia

On the 1871 Wales census I have

John Hayman 56 lead miner born Chirbury Salop

Jane Hayman 52 wife born Minsterley Salop
Thomas Hayman 20 son
Samuel Hayman 17 son

I have Thomas in 1881 on England census at same place
ie Perkins Beach. Reg district Forden. Sub reg district Chirbury.

Please can someone help by finding John and Jane in the earlier census. I do not know if they were at Perkins Beach prior to 1871 or which census they will be on.I have searched but cann't find them. Thank You
Mary