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Amy, did you get Charles marriage cert to Margaret? Who was Charles father? There are two christenings on IGI right time but not in the Westminster area


Selena

Hi guys,

I thought this might interesting to some of you who helped me out before. I ordered the death certificate for Charles Parr, which shows that he died in 1889 in the Central London Sick Asylum, Cleveland Street, Pancras, London. It lists his occupation as naturalist, and his residence as 44 Broadstreet, St James, Westminster, London. It also gives an estimated birth year of 1835. Hopefully this will help somewhat with tracing him!

Thanks again for all your help!

Sorry I just hadn't really had any other success with my threads, so did them on different boards a few days apart as I thought people would probably only look in particular boards, i.e. the Parr board might not be looked at that often.

Thanks a lot for all your help though, my certificates are on their way so fingers crossed there's some info on them which helps!

Been at least 3 other threads on the same subject which is why I have ignored this one.

I couldn't find the other thread.

Ozi.

I have to say the other thread had all this info.

Found the following which could also be Margaret and Charles' children:


Name: Sarah Harvey Parr
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 550 (click to see others on page)


Name: Phillis Helen Parr
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 494 (click to see others on page)


Name: Matilda Agnes Maria Parr
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 483 (click to see others on page)


Name: George William Parr
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 507 (click to see others on page)


Name: Jessie Parr
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 38_ (click to see others on page)


Name: Edward Parr
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: St Giles
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 341 (click to see others on page)



Name: Henry Samuel Parr
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 570 (click to see others on page)


And some deaths:

Name: Henry Parr
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 279 (click to see others on page)


Name: Jesse Parr
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 263 (click to see others on page)


Name: John Parr
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Holborn
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 308 (click to see others on page)


Name: John Parr
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 322 (click to see others on page)


Name: William Parr
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Strand (1837-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: _79 (click to see others on page)

Thanks for this guys!

I think I'm going to order a few of the certificates and any possible children of theirs as well, and see what comes of it!

I will update when I get them through :-)

Is this the 1861 you wanted???


1861 Census

Name: Charles Parr
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Westminster, St James

Civil Parish: Westminster St James
Ecclesiastical parish: London
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: Golden Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92a
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Bocall 76
Susannah Freeman 21
Charles Parr 25 Tailor
Charles Parr 3 b.ca 1858, St Anns Soho
Margaret Parr 23 b.ca 1838, Westminster St James

Address:- 3 King Street, Golden Square

NOTE:- Charles jr. is marked on the image as DAU, there are ? against both the name and the DAU on the image.

It definitely is Charles written there though.



sylvia

The amateur naturalist was very common in the UK in the 1800s, and even into the early 1900s. Think fo the number of vicars who spent much of their time naturalising, collecting plants, or animals or observing the stars, etc

Despite what we might think, many people even in the so-called working class educated themselves and became very competent naturalists.

They might contribute to the local Natural History Society, or work with someone at a local university or whatever.

It might be that your guys are among this group of people, and if so, it might be next to impossible to find out any more about him ................... except that he apparently considered it a more important part of his life than his "real" occupation!


sylvia

I hope some kind soul can look up Charles and Margaret on the 1861 to see if there are older children.

Off to bed now,

Good luck
selena

Well spotted Amy.

Also, just thinking aloud, if they married in 1857 and Margaret died in 1875 they should have had plenty of time for more children other then John and Henry.

Selena

I just looked at the entry for the death you mentioned - the entry directly beneath it is for a Margaret Parr born in the same year - maybe she died in childbirth? The refs are:

Margaret Parr
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 37
District: Westminster (1870-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 385 (click to see others on page)

Name: Margaret Parr
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
District: Westminster (1870-1913)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 386 (click to see others on page)

Will do! Yes the naturalist thing is quite interesting but seems very hard to pin down! I've emailed the Natural History Museum to see if they can point me in the right direction.

Thanks for all your help!

That does look promising - I might give that a go and see what info that has. Thanks!

Let us know what the outcome is - I'm curious about the naturalist thing too.

Selena

Possible for Margaret, Charles was a widower on 81

Deaths Mar 1875
PARR Margaret 37 Westminster 1a 385

Selena

Ozibird -

1881:
Name: John Parr
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England

I did come across this and thought that it was a possibility, although the names of the people he is staying with aren't familiar.

Selena -

Murphy Margaret Strand 1b 618
Parr Charles Strand 1b 618

I have ordered this certificate and it states that Charles is a tailor - and living at the same address as one of the census returns for Charles the tailor.

Parr John George Westminster 1a 403

I ordered this as well and it tallys with the above - parents Margaret Murphy and Charles Parr a tailor.


Maybe I'm getting too hung up on the naturalist thing - this does seem to be pretty close.

Thanks a lot for all of your help so far!

I have ordered a death certificate for a Charles Parr as well in the hope it might shed some light on the matter - the age and date seem about right:

1906 Mar Poplar (To 1965) 1c 375

Amy, have you left us?.....

I expect you have this 1881. St James Park is right near Westminster and I am wondering if Charles Junior is actually Henry but has bee copied in correctly

Charles Parr
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St James, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 7 South Row
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information.
Occupation: Military Tailor

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: Golden Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Parr 44
Charles Parr 16